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imamartian
can't you read? i've never said he 'wasn't' accountable, i said he did NOT MEAN to kill him !!!!!!
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can't you read? i've never said he 'wasn't' accountable, i said he did NOT MEAN to kill him !!!!!!
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no, he was killed by an action somebody took against him.
He was in that location and was trying to get back to the hostel.
Which they wouldn't have if he had not been assaulted.
Not quite as simple as that I'm afraid. That is why the case has been referred to court.
And a court will decide "what it is". I don't fancy his chance on this one either!
imamartian
I would still debate if Thomlinson had not died as in my view it would still have been assault. And I do not agree with peaps2's view that "all coppers are evil to the core", but that is not what this discussion is about.
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joinerjohn
LMB pushes the boundaries of what's acceptable by police officers yet again. LMB before you watch the video evidence again and comment that it was a simple shove,, I seriously suggest that you book an appointment at Specsavers, Dolland and Aitchison, or Boots and have yer eyesight tested. Perhaps you should go top Optimax and have laser corrective surgery, instead. They can borrow my green laser for the op if they want to.
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That's all well and good but I feel that you seem to think that Harwoods shove was correct and not a bit hard. The video clearly shows that it was a shove of excessive force, on a man with no fall restraint due his hands being in his pockets, by a highly trained person, who apart from not actually meant to be there,went against his training and "unlawfully" killed an innocent man. I agree that it was not his intention to kill the bloke but given the force of the "shove" it was always a possibility that he could be injured. If he had not killed him then it would still be assault with plenty of evidence.
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When Harwood goes inside and the inmates knock him down like a skittle day and night - will that be a crime? Or a 'bit of a shove'?
He was a well-known bully boy and that is why he was kept out the way and told to stay at the van. He went against orders and started showing off in front of his mates (after removing his number and hiding his face).
He's a thug and he'll get what's coming to him.
He was a well-known bully boy and that is why he was kept out the way and told to stay at the van. He went against orders and started showing off in front of his mates (after removing his number and hiding his face).
He's a thug and he'll get what's coming to him.
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peaps2
oh he will get more than a shove, boiling water with lots of sugar thrown in the face is a fav,
not a pretty sight either
I think it's been a very interesting debate John.
But what I find shocking is that you don't seem to be able to see it from another angle.
As I've already said I understand your point of view, don't agree with it, but understand it nonetheless.
You don't seem to even understand mine.
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong.
oh he will get more than a shove, boiling water with lots of sugar thrown in the face is a fav,
not a pretty sight either
You've only got the hump coz they banged your criminal ass up for four years.
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peaps2
oh he will get more than a shove, boiling water with lots of sugar thrown in the face is a fav,
not a pretty sight either
You've only got the hump coz they banged your criminal ass up for four years.
I was the one that did that,I knew what I was doing and it was planned to test the new law with the full knowledge I could go to jail. Pled guilty also.
I got the hump because if I was the one to have pushed the guy over causing his death I would be serving a sentence for manslaughter right now, not still in court after my bosses tried to white wash it away.
I have seen and been at the sharp end of police supposedly upholding the law yet breaking it at the same time
Yes you are correct I have no time for the police.
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joinerjohn
LMB, your view is that it was a simple shove. That's why I've suggested having an eye examination by a qualified ophthalmic optician. No way was that shove a simple push/shove. It was a very forceful shove . designed to ensure the victim would fall over. Almost certainly done with the intention of harming the victim.
It's alright Harwood saying he didn't intend for the chap to die as a result. I haven't heard Harwood say he didn't intend Tomlinson to fall over either.
I accept Harwood didn't know that his victim would later die, but I certainly don't accept that it was done in the heat of the moment. Given Harwood's propensity for excessive force and violence in the past, he deserves imprisonment. When he's convicted (as I'm sure he will) I hope he's dismissed from his job, with his police pension forfeited, so he has nothing to fall back on when he's released.
It's alright Harwood saying he didn't intend for the chap to die as a result. I haven't heard Harwood say he didn't intend Tomlinson to fall over either.
I accept Harwood didn't know that his victim would later die, but I certainly don't accept that it was done in the heat of the moment. Given Harwood's propensity for excessive force and violence in the past, he deserves imprisonment. When he's convicted (as I'm sure he will) I hope he's dismissed from his job, with his police pension forfeited, so he has nothing to fall back on when he's released.
As has been said, only a fraction of those were actually killed by anyone intentionally...most died in a way that anyone else could do - just because they have a uniform on doesn't change that!Still waiting for martian to care about those 333 deaths in custody after he 'cared' so much about only 4 deaths and berated others...
Still, nothing unexpected from a police apologist*
*one generalisation deserves another...
What about the 4500 coppers who've died this century protecting your a**e?
But for those that were intentionally killed, then hopefully the culprits were caught and jailed...
So I ask again...what do you say about all those who died in police custody?...Do you care about them?
Harwood did NOT intentionally kill Tomlinson.
Still nothing anything remotely approaching caring about those who died in custody I note...
How deep do you enjoy taking a truncheon?
Go easy on Martian guys, he's backing down and eating humble pie.
I thought i saw evidence and thought of george osborne.
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