Lighting loops not working!

[Iggifer]

- No deviations from BS7671
- TT not observed or tested
- Uo = 240v?
- Main switch = 60898 (and not tested as an RCD)
- Service cut out = 60898 & rating incorrect anyway
- MPB in dining room? Not necessarily wrong, just odd
- No maximum demand filled in
- No serial number for test instruments used
- Upstairs sockets on a 32a breaker with 2.5 but not tested as a ring
- Reference method left blank
- Lights down is on a 10a breaker (this may have been changed after the original install, hence different brand)
- Is it me or does it say complies to BS7671:2012?
- Excellent Ze for a TT??

 

[Iggifer]

Maybe it's the only BS number he knows as aparrently the main switch is a BSEN 60898 device too (which it clearly isn't!)

And I might be wrong but what's the BS number for those fuse carriers?

 

[RF Lighting]

Right here's my issues with the certificate.

• The BS(EN) number for the main switch is wrong.
  The BS(EN) number for the suppliers fuse is wrong.
  No current rating for the main switch.
  The main switch is not a type B device!
  Nominal supply voltage is incorrect.
  The installation is listed as being TT, and appears so, but the Ze is waaaaay too low.
  Location of earth electrode is "not seen"
  End to end readings for downstairs RFC seem far too low.
  No end to end readings for upstairs sockets, yet it is a 2.5mm² circuit on a 32A circuit breaker.
  Incorrect max permitted Zs value for circuit 3

That's just what I see wrong with the certificate from two photos of your installation. I think it might be a good idea to have someone give the installation a good thourough going over.

 

[RF Lighting]

I see you spotted a couple I missed!!

And I might be wrong but what's the BS number for those fuse carriers?

Do you mean the suppliers fuse?

It'll be a BS1361 type IIb

 

[lcooksey]

Thank you all very much for the information.

I feel like i've been had, is there anything I can do?

The electrician concerned is calling round tomorrow.

 

[Iggifer]

I see you spotted a couple I missed!!

And I might be wrong but what's the BS number for those fuse carriers?

Do you mean the suppliers fuse?

It'll be a BS1361 type IIb

No I was confused with another thread I was just reading with the Hager CU with fuse carriers rather than MCB's.

I agree an EICR is in order pronto. Being that it's a generic EIC I think it's a pretty safe bet it wasn't a vaguely remotely qualified person that carried out the installation. I think my gran could fill out a better EIC than that.

 

[Iggifer]

Thank you all very much for the information.

I feel like i've been had, is there anything I can do?

The electrician concerned is calling round tomorrow.

I would ask him which competent person scheme he is a member of and if he tells you, call them and see what they say

if he dodges the question, clearly he isn't, and you should report him to your Local Authority Building Control as he is breaking the law (I'm guessing he didn't notify them)

See if you can find him on here:

http://www.competentperson.co.uk

 

[sparkydude]

Explain to him that you have been advised that the distribution board he has fitted (even though was left by the previous owners) was not upto scratch and he should have know that before he fitted it. Explain to him that distribution boards are type tested with the manufacturers MCBS fitted, by installing another make of MCB he has invalidated any warranty of the manufacturer and may have caused a potentially dangerous occurrance by doing so. As a householder how would you know any different, he after all is the 'proffessional'.

May we be rude and ask how much you paid him for this rewire ?? I am guessing from the test sheets its not a huge property .

Is he registered with any regulatory body such as Elecsa, Napit etc ?? if so then you can complain to them about his workmanship.

Nick

 

[lcooksey]

yes, unbelievably he's on there.

I take it the installation isnt upto BS7671:2008 standards due to the outdated consumer unit?

 

[sparkydude]

The incorrect fuseboard,

clear evidence of the installation not having been tested correctly to BS7671

numerous anomolies on the test sheet pointing to the fact he does not know what he has tested and what he should or should not be expecting to see. This sort of thing normally happens when a commercial/industrial sparky tries his hands at domestic work.

Nick

 

[lcooksey]

Thanks for the advice, we paid £2500. We had 3 quotes all around the same price but he was recommended.

Its a large 3 bed semi.

 

[sparkydude]

Even more concerning then , as you would have expected him to sepperate the kitchen ring from the rest of the circuits, Maybe a few radial circuits added for immersion heater . freezer or diahwasher. Electric shower provison ??? Elelctric cooker , hob etc ????

Basically he has rewired like for like and completeley disregarded the future requirements of the house and the currrent regulations.

Did he install any mains powered interlinked smoke detectors as required by the building regulations ???

No thought not

He needs his ass kicking big time

Nick

 

[RF Lighting]

A single RCD protecting the entire installation as you have does not comply with regulation 341.1

 

[Iggifer]

and two upstairs socket circuits despite ignoring so many other possible circuits reeks of poor design.

Unless of course the kitchen is upstairs? I can't see why else one (maybe RFC) socket circuit would not be enough for 3 bedrooms

Or this circuit was added to spur off for boiler / central heating / immersion heater. Odd

 

[sparkydude]

We could always make an educated guess Iggifer and look at the test sheet for number of points served , Hang on let me check , Oh what a suprise he did not fill in the number of points served either LoL

I reckon he has just replaced accesories to existing cables and changed the db , then took the money and done one

My oppinion of course.

Nick