lights / bonding in bathroom

[sijaysee]

 

[sijaysee]

id'd just like to say that im very proud that i started this topic all those years ago and that its still going strong...........we've had some ups and downs but we've come through them and i believe that we will be stronger for them..............thanks to all my friends and family for believing in me when others thought that i was just incompetent............ especially banal and all your banal coments.....i love you man............pdclecy.........thanks for believing in banal and for getting the help that you needed...............you know it makes sense..........bazdaaa i love you more and i hope that you can forgive banal cz he really cant help being a complete ****......what is "it" anyway???? and why the obsession with lectrics???? hasnt he got anything better to do with his (much too much) spare time???????and i still think that you're a sad b*stard who hasnt got any friends and will probably end up killing yourself cz everbody thinks you're a t*at and you know it.....sorry was that a bit strong??? nite nite

 

[Bazdaa]

id'd just like to say that im very proud that i started this topic all those years ago and that its still going strong...........we've had some ups and downs but we've come through them and i believe that we will be stronger for them..............thanks to all my friends and family for believing in me when others thought that i was just incompetent............ especially banal and all your banal coments.....i love you man............pdclecy.........thanks for believing in banal and for getting the help that you needed...............you know it makes sense..........bazdaaa i love you more and i hope that you can forgive banal cz he really cant help being a complete ****......what is "it" anyway???? and why the obsession with lectrics???? hasnt he got anything better to do with his (much too much) spare time???????and i still think that you're a sad b*stard who hasnt got any friends and will probably end up killing yourself cz everbody thinks you're a t*at and you know it.....sorry was that a bit strong??? nite nite

Standing ovation.

 

[sijaysee]

thank you thank you bazdaa (takes a bow and blows kisses) and thank you wembley.................goodnight!!!

 

[Softus]

Bearing in mind this a DIY forum so compression joints are very likely to used instead of soldered on pipe work, can the pipe work still be relied upon to provide continuity?

Even if you were right about compression joints, which you're not, then even if you were right about DIYers being more likely to use compression, which you're not, then it doesn't matter because you've utterly misunderstood the purpose of bonding anyway.

 

[Softus]

Many a time, I've held out the hand of peace.

Don't misunderstand - I really couldn't care less what someone like you thinks of me - your general attitude and ability demonstrate beyond doubt that your opinions are worthless, but I imagine that other readers are getting tired of your constant sniping.

Yup - I, for one, am tired of badzaa.

 

[Softus]

id'd just like to say that im very proud that i started this topic all those years ago and that its still going strong...........we've had some ups and downs but we've come through them and i believe that we will be stronger for them..............thanks to all my friends and family for believing in me when others thought that i was just incompetent............ especially banal and all your banal coments.....i love you man............pdclecy.........thanks for believing in banal and for getting the help that you needed...............you know it makes sense..........bazdaaa i love you more and i hope that you can forgive banal cz he really cant help being a complete ****......what is "it" anyway???? and why the obsession with lectrics???? hasnt he got anything better to do with his (much too much) spare time???????and i still think that you're a sad b*stard who hasnt got any friends and will probably end up killing yourself cz everbody thinks you're a t*at and you know it.....sorry was that a bit strong??? nite nite

I can hardly wait to see if you decide to edit that one when you've sobered up...

 

[ban-all-sheds]

because i have been told that i need to bond them

I see - so you do things just because you are told, and without knowing why and without any understanding of the underlying principles.

What a fine electrician you're going to make.

look ban......the pipework has to be bonded

Not necessarily.

so surely the taps are connected to them and also the metal bath.we are talking about all copper pipework.

Are we?

That's the first time you've mentioned that. If you remember, you asked me:

ban , can you give me examples of when metal baths would and would not be deemed as extraneous conductive parts.

Rather than just spoonfeed you, I thought it would be better if I could get you thinking about things, and understanding what's going on, which is why I began with the example of the tin bath and asked you to think about whether or not it should be bonded.

Whether or not you worked out where that example would logically lead, I guess we'll never know, since you seem to strongly object to being asked questions that make you think.

You say "we are talking about all copper pipework". Well if we are then of course the pipes and the bath should be bonded, as they are without doubt extraneous-conductive-parts.

But what if the pipes were plastic, supplying metal taps fixed to a metal bath?

What if they were plastic most of the way, with the last metre or so that was copper?

What if they were mostly metal but with a plastic section somewhere?

You asked me for examples of when metal baths would and would not be e-c-ps, and then before we'd got anywhere near an answer you decide that the pipework is all copper.

In which case why did you ask the question?

we are not all scientists and dont all contribute to the BS7671 regs. its not our job..we follow them....

You may not contribute to them, but if you think for one second that you can be an electrician and simply follow them without understanding them then you are grievously mistaken.

its all very well to have an opinion ( and you sure have one)but you dont have the experience of an electrician and that counts for a lot. you are very well read but i dont think that you ever come out of your bedroom and actually do anything.you are more interested in building regs versus 7671. just what is your agenda?

Helping people.

You asked for my help, I began to give it, and then you threw it back in my face:

id'd just like to say that im very proud that i started this topic all those years ago and that its still going strong...........we've had some ups and downs but we've come through them and i believe that we will be stronger for them..............thanks to all my friends and family for believing in me when others thought that i was just incompetent............ especially banal and all your banal coments.....i love you man............pdclecy.........thanks for believing in banal and for getting the help that you needed...............you know it makes sense..........bazdaaa i love you more and i hope that you can forgive banal cz he really cant help being a complete ****......what is "it" anyway???? and why the obsession with lectrics???? hasnt he got anything better to do with his (much too much) spare time???????and i still think that you're a sad b*stard who hasnt got any friends and will probably end up killing yourself cz everbody thinks you're a t*at and you know it.....sorry was that a bit strong??? nite nite

Your mate Bazdaa is fond of saying I have issues, but if a simple, polite question like "Why should they? Are they extraneous-conductive-parts?" is going to generate this sort of personal abuse from you then I don't think it's I who has to worry about "issues".

Where did that rant come from? What on earth is wrong with you?

 

[Adam_151]

I see - so you do things just because you are told, and without knowing why and without any understanding of the underlying principles.

What a fine electrician you're going to make.

Agree

so surely the taps are connected to them and also the metal bath.we are talking about all copper pipework.

Are we?

I must admit in my earlier post I'd assumed the pipes were copper

But what if the pipes were plastic, supplying metal taps fixed to a metal bath?

Then neither the bath, taps, nor pipes are E-C-Ps, so no bond

What if they were plastic most of the way, with the last metre or so that was copper?

Tricky one, I suppose it depends on how conductive the water filled pipe is, but that might not be constant due to mineral build-up inside the pipe over time, not really entirely sure what I'd do here tbh

What if they were mostly metal but with a plastic section somewhere?

I'd probably bond across it and treat it as if it was all metal, probably the 'easy way out' though

 

[Bazdaa]

Many a time, I've held out the hand of peace.

Don't misunderstand - I really couldn't care less what someone like you thinks of me - your general attitude and ability demonstrate beyond doubt that your opinions are worthless, but I imagine that other readers are getting tired of your constant sniping.

Yup - I, for one, am tired of badzaa.

You know what to do.

 

[Bazdaa]

Where did that rant come from? What on earth is wrong with you?

YOU

 

[sijaysee]

you are such a smartarse ban..........its no wonder you get peoples backs up!! yes ok perhaps i didnt mention about plastic pipework but i and most pro's are aware of the different rules concerning plastic..but you just play games with people. i think that everyone assumed that we were talking about copper and i apologise if i didnt make it clear.

 

[Softus]

Where did that rant come from?

A lager tap.

What on earth is wrong with you?

Absence of competence.

 

[Softus]

What if they were plastic most of the way, with the last metre or so that was copper?

Tricky one, I suppose it depends on how conductive the water filled pipe is, but that might not be constant due to mineral build-up inside the pipe over time, not really entirely sure what I'd do here tbh

From memory, the on-site guide doesn't recommend bonding pipes in this situation. I believe that water, even running/contained in scaled up pipes, has a sufficient high impedence that it is not considered to be conductive. Don't have numbers to hand, but will find out.

What if they were mostly metal but with a plastic section somewhere?

I'd probably bond across it and treat it as if it was all metal, probably the 'easy way out' though

This is the same scenario as "mostly plastic with a copper section", so no bonding is needed.

(edited the last sentence to swap "plastic" and "copper" - oops)

 

[sijaysee]

no i dont actually do lager.........i think it was blossom hill.....i do find it funny though that there are proper electricians seeming to be confused about all this!! just proved my point all along