Lucy Letby case - Evidence discussion thread

[blup]

I have twice given (witness) statements to the Police.


With regard to one incident, it was a verbatim - literally; even down to the "erms" and "errs" - transcription of what I said.

In the second instance though, it was a loose facsimile, and really the rozzer's own version of what I had actually said.
As it was materially-accurate though (and I'd been kept waiting for most of a day, and was thinking "why bother trying to help?"), I wasn't going to go through the whole thing again.

I hope you got off! Seriously though who writes a confession on brightly coloured post its then keeps them as evidence.

 

[blup]

Judge Rinder now saying there was more than reasonable doubt in this case. Let's hope the lessons of the post office sub postmasters means the process of reviewing the case wont be unduly delayed

 

[ajohn]

Judge Rinder

Robert Michael Rinder MBE (/ˈrɪndər/; born 31 May 1978), sometimes known as Judge Rinder, is a British criminal barrister and television personality.[1] In 2014, while still a practising barrister, he began hosting the reality courtroom series Judge Rinder.
In case the term Judge confuses some. He isn't one. Also something of a specialist

Robert Rinder - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I hope you got off! Seriously though who writes a confession on brightly coloured post its then keeps them as evidence.

Only someone who is deeply disturbed, by what is happening around her/him. That, at least, should have been thrown out of court. She was so very disturbed by the accusations, she was beginning to perhaps be convinced herself, that the accusations were true.

 

[transam]

It will drag on for years ? And years ?

 

[motorbiking]

I was replying to your post where you said........"There is even the possibility that another killer framed her."......When I said........"With her confessions, how would that work.

By the way, they were not confessions the police got out of her, but written confessions at home prior to her arrest.
Just why would she do that?

Because people can be manipulated into feeling guilty and even confessing guilt. If you were constantly told that bad things happened because of your incompetence, you might start to believe it.

 

[motorbiking]

Robert Michael Rinder MBE (/ˈrɪndər/; born 31 May 1978), sometimes known as Judge Rinder, is a British criminal barrister and television personality.[1] In 2014, while still a practising barrister, he began hosting the reality courtroom series Judge Rinder.
In case the term Judge confuses some. He isn't one. Also something of a specialist

Robert Rinder - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yep not a judge, but an experienced criminal barrister none the less.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Because people can be manipulated into feeling guilty and even confessing guilt. If you were constantly told that bad things happened because of your incompetence, you might start to believe it.

Exactly! When the mind is put under extreme stress, a person can be convinced to believe almost anything - even the memory can play tricks.

 

[ellal]

Right or wrong, it will inevitably drag on until those who made the case/decision are retired or dead...

The 'system' cannot be seen to be at fault

And the 'system' now ensures that should a person be wrongly imprisoned then it is virtually impossible to get any form of compensation...

The 'system' cares not about guilt or innocence!

 

[noseall]

It will drag on for years ? And years ?

You would have had her in a coffin after one week.

 

[transam]

You would have had her in a coffin after one week.

Er not true

As per usual you make stuff up

You and the other fruit cake (?) need to look at my previous posts on the caper

( No smoking gun imo)

So you can now jog on with your porkie pies

As can the other fruit cake / porkie pier

 

[ajohn]

More evidence against her. Time in another hospital. For some reason breathing tube problems increased by rather large amount compared with when she wasn't there.

Heard via the TV so no link.

 

[blup]

More evidence against her. Time in another hospital. For some reason breathing tube problems increased by rather large amount compared with when she wasn't there.

Heard via the TV so no link.

She was said to have been supervised at the her time in Liverpool, and the events occurred during 40% of her shifts. Guilt by association from an inquiry that hasn't been set up to find guilt. I am not saying she is innocent, because she has been found guilty, but if statistical correlations are to be relied upon, the inquiry should bring in the experts who have expressed concerns.

 

[ajohn]

"It is unusual, and you will hear that it occurs generally in less than 1% of shifts."
The audit found that there were recorded incidents of the tubes being dislodged on 40% of the shifts Letby worked at Liverpool Womens' Hospital.

Lucy Letby inquiry: 'Tubes dislodged' during placement at other hospital

Lucy Letby worked two placements at Liverpool Women's Hospital in 2012 and 2015.

www.bbc.co.uk

As usual it's incomplete really which is why statisticians complain. What is really needed is a long term record of these events and then any changes while she was there that went when she left. The long term record can give a better statistical view of how often and variations. Assuming all incidents are recorded - we are dealing with humans.

 

[noseall]

Er not true

Err, yes it is boyo...

Transam would need to carefully consider the evidence if she is found guilty ?

Assuming it’s sound and up snuff

She would be off to the next
Life

Read here

Short memory haven't you boyo. Smoking gun up yours boyo.