Message to Freddie

[Thermo]

youve bought it in good faith at a reasonable price and have proof of that with no way of knowing it was stolen. Now if youve bought it for 25 from a bloke down the pub then thats a different matter. if it happened over here then you have a claim to the property and can rightfully hang on to it. the owners of it ie canon if it was stolen from them would have rights to it as well and could apply through court to hve it returned, but that is so unlikely as to be untrue, as is a knock at your door.

 

[Big_Spark]

youve bought it in good faith at a reasonable price and have proof of that with no way of knowing it was stolen. Now if youve bought it for 25 from a bloke down the pub then thats a different matter. if it happened over here then you have a claim to the property and can rightfully hang on to it. the owners of it ie canon if it was stolen from them would have rights to it as well and could apply through court to hve it returned, but that is so unlikely as to be untrue, as is a knock at your door.

mmmmmmmmmmmm...(Jim's brain is whizzing round hence the smoke)

Certainly worth considering...thanks Thermo

 

[Softus]

youve bought it in good faith at a reasonable price and have proof of that with no way of knowing it was stolen. Now if youve bought it for 25 from a bloke down the pub then thats a different matter. if it happened over here then you have a claim to the property and can rightfully hang on to it. the owners of it ie canon if it was stolen from them would have rights to it as well and could apply through court to hve it returned, but that is so unlikely as to be untrue, as is a knock at your door.

Thermo, I don't know the law in the US, but in the UK the important point is that of title, i.e. something can't be sold unless the seller has legal title to it.

For this reason many stolen cars are reclaimed from innocent buyers, who then have no recourse other than to sue the seller, who is frequently a crook who has since become untraceable.

So, if the transaction is innocent, then the buyer loses his money and the goods. If he had any cause to suspect that the goods were stolen, then, in addition to losing out financially, he becomes liable to prosecution for handling stolen goods.

Unless you know better....

 

[AdamW]

But in that case the proof is usually some official documentation such as a V5 document and a VIN plate.

But how many people honestly actually keep the serial numbers and receipts for everything they buy?

In this case, if it was in fact intended for delivery to a public service then you would think the numbers WOULD be documented. However, it is also possible that some sort of audit has since taken place and it's been written off anyway.

 

[Softus]

But how many people honestly actually keep the serial numbers and receipts for everything they buy?

But surely the things that have serial numbers actually have the serial numbers on them?

In any case, I'm not sure what you're driving at with this question - a receipt is merely proof of purchase, not proof of title.

 

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There we go Ferdinand --- All sorted !

 

[Big_Spark]

There we go Ferdinand --- All sorted !

eh??

 

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Pointing out the conclusion to the thread.

 

[Softus]

Did The Fat Lady sing?

 

[AdamW]

But how many people honestly actually keep the serial numbers and receipts for everything they buy?

But surely the things that have serial numbers actually have the serial numbers on them?

In any case, I'm not sure what you're driving at with this question - a receipt is merely proof of purchase, not proof of title.

Yes, but if the camera is stolen, would the rightful owner have the serial number recorded elsewhere, and proof of purchase to say that he bought it from shop X? Most likely, not. What good is the serial number if it is ONLY on the camera? It's totally arbitrary.

If the second-time buyer of it says "I bought it from Dave's cameras", and Dave's cameras has no proper record of having bought it off the rightful owner, then proof of purchase would be important.

 

[Softus]

Yes, but if the camera is stolen, would the rightful owner have the serial number recorded elsewhere, and proof of purchase to say that he bought it from shop X? Most likely, not. What good is the serial number if it is ONLY on the camera? It's totally arbitrary.

If the second-time buyer of it says "I bought it from Dave's cameras", and Dave's cameras has no proper record of having bought it off the rightful owner, then proof of purchase would be important.

You're absolutely right - I agree on all points. I'd misunderstood where you were coming from / going to.

 

[Freddie]

It's all boll ox and you load of idiots are carrying it on like fools

 

[Softus]

It's all boll ox and you load of idiots are carrying it on like fools

How true. Whereas you, Freddie, are neither carrying it on nor being foolish. Clearly you've turned over a new leaf.

 

[Freddie]

It's all boll ox and you load of idiots are carrying it on like fools

How true. Whereas you, Freddie, are neither carrying it on nor being foolish. Clearly you've turned over a new leaf.

I am always foolish Softus i do love a good laugh but i was asked to leave it before i went too far so i did

 

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Freddie ain't green as f'kin grass, although he nearly slipped at the end ...