More deaths in the channel.

[fillyboy]

They are pretty obvious and factual.

OK, go on.....

 

[denso13]

If it's good enough for you,

OK, go on.....

Read his link and the stats properly.

 

[Munroast]

You've missed the whole point (deliberately), three lifeboat stations (maybe 4) operating Tamar class lifeboats possibly operating around the clock ferrying migrants back and forth across the channel represents a handful of callouts.

A jet boat or rib or rib on the Thames responding to people on boats falling down stairs or mistaking indigestion for a heart attack or people with a transgender crisis threatening to throw themselves off Vauxhall Bridge can represent dozens of callouts.

I can't stop laughing - a transgender crises - its so ridiculous it could well be true.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Read his link and the stats properly.

You will have no problem producing them then.

Mb didn't.

He showed us the hotspot was London. Quite clearly. You've since, backed that up.

And then you make a claim that its not true and expect me to find the figures. Doesn't work like that.

 

[motorbiking]

Not really, there's a lot of conflation in the figures between 'lives saved', 'people assisted' and 'number of launches'.
I'll let you work it out.

yes of course - everyone is allowed a bit of journalistic licence when reporting the good work being done to promote a charity or perhaps playing down the less popular work done when defending a stance.

The fact is RNLI are not helping reduce illegal migration by unsafe vessel, because they are part of the promotional pitch that the traffickers use.

"Yes I know its flimsy and yes there are too many people and not enough life jackets, but you only have to go half way and the RNLI will rescue you for free".

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The fact is RNLI are not helping reduce illegal migration by unsafe vessel, because they are part of the promotional pitch that the traffickers use.

The RNLI don't judge, or consider politics, they just respond to callouts .

The problem lies elsewhere. I hate to see the RNLI attacked.

 

[gant]

The RNLI don't judge, or consider politics, they just respond to callouts .

The problem lies elsewhere. I hate to see the RNLI attacked.

Sitting on the fence isn't doing them much good as their charitable contributions continue to slide.

 

[Roy Bloom]

The RNLI don't judge, or consider politics, they just respond to callouts .

The problem lies elsewhere. I hate to see the RNLI attacked.

And being attacked for doing the very thing that is their raison d'etre.

It's like attacking the work of the fire brigade for putting out fires irrespective of how they're started.
The same mentality of those ctiticising RLNI for rescues of asylum seekers is to argue that the fire brigade encourage arsonists, because the fire brigade will always respond to a fire.
It's a nonsensical and desparate argument.

 

[Roy Bloom]

"Yes I know its flimsy and yes there are too many people and not enough life jackets, but you only have to go half way and the RNLI will rescue you for free".

The sylum seeekrs are prepared to risk their life to make the crossing.
Making erroneous assumptions that the asylum seekers rely on the RNLI to enable them to complete their journey is pure propoganda.

 

[motorbiking]

You will have no problem producing them then.

Mb didn't.

He showed us the hotspot was London. Quite clearly. You've since, backed that up.

And then you make a claim that its not true and expect me to find the figures. Doesn't work like that.

The information is all in their annual report, and website. You don't need to be a yacht master offshore to know that an Atlantic class, D or E class lifeboat, doesn't cost the same to buy and operate as a Shanon Class. A bit of basic common sense says a really big boat costs a lot more than a small boat. Then you need all the infrastructure to maintain, launch and support it. You can have 20 D class boats for the cost of 1 Shanon class. You focused on launches in the Thames to argue that the illegal immigrants weren't a big problem for the RNLI.

As others have said. 2-3 £1-2+ million boats being called a couple of times a week each. 20% of the the lives saved are illegal immigrants. £180m costs annually. So on a per life saved - £36M on the illegals. Then look at their financial report '21 to '22 when the crossings exploded. £160m to just under £190m in costs, so an increase of ~£30m.

They spend £188m and after costs they have just over £177m - they are short £11m a year. So maybe it's time for the French to step up and do what we have paid them to do. The RNLI cannot afford to keep operating an illegal immigrant taxi service.

 

[gant]

And being attacked for doing the very thing that is their raison d'etre.

It's like attacking the work of the fire brigade for putting out fires irrespective of how they're started.
The same mentality of those ctiticising RLNI for rescues of asylum seekers is to argue that the fire brigade encourage arsonists, because the fire brigade will always respond to a fire.
It's a nonsensical and desparate argument.

That's a bit of a tenuous link given that some people will never need the services of the RNLI in their life.
Fire brigade different story.

 

[motorbiking]

I think people would be upset if the fire brigade flew to France to put out fires while London is burning.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The information is all in their annual report, and website. You don't need to be a yacht master offshore to know that an Atlantic class, D or E class lifeboat, doesn't cost the same to buy and operate as a Shanon Class. A bit of basic common sense says a really big boat costs a lot more than a small boat. Then you need all the infrastructure to maintain, launch and support it. You can have 20 D class boats for the cost of 1 Shanon class. You focused on launches in the Thames to argue that the illegal immigrants weren't a big problem for the RNLI.

As others have said. 2-3 £1-2+ million boats being called a couple of times a week each. 20% of the the lives saved are illegal immigrants. £180m costs annually. So on a per life saved - £36M on the illegals. Then look at their financial report '21 to '22 when the crossings exploded. £160m to just under £190m in costs, so an increase of ~£30m.

They spend £188m and after costs they have just over £177m - they are short £11m a year. So maybe it's time for the French to step up and do what we have paid them to do. The RNLI cannot afford to keep operating an illegal immigrant taxi service.

Swerving again. You are now claiming its the money issue.

You clearly posted a link and claimed the hotspot was the immigrants. It so clearly isn't, from the very figures and map you provided. Go back and look.

If the RNLI cannot afford to rescue lives then again OUR. GOVERNMENT should be doing something about it.

Address the problem, not the response

 

[carmanmemoranda]

See the hotspot. Page 10 in the report.

https://rnli.org/-/media/rnli/downloads/agm/22512651_ara_2022_dc_v9_download_protected.pdf?rev=dfa7e2838c5343be8003b5f1db881ecf&hash=83C5B1DA1ABAF5B240C723225D4C6606

21% of rescued people were illegals. According to their own data. Of course it can be hidden in a press release and misreported.

Look at that map again.

Unless the immigrants are coming down the Thames, and filly agrees they are not, then the hotspot isn't the immigrants.

 

[Roy Bloom]

The information is all in their annual report, and website. You don't need to be a yacht master offshore to know that an Atlantic class, D or E class lifeboat, doesn't cost the same to buy and operate as a Shanon Class. A bit of basic common sense says a really big boat costs a lot more than a small boat. Then you need all the infrastructure to maintain, launch and support it. You can have 20 D class boats for the cost of 1 Shanon class. You focused on launches in the Thames to argue that the illegal immigrants weren't a big problem for the RNLI.

As others have said. 2-3 £1-2+ million boats being called a couple of times a week each. 20% of the the lives saved are illegal immigrants. £180m costs annually. So on a per life saved - £36M on the illegals. Then look at their financial report '21 to '22 when the crossings exploded. £160m to just under £190m in costs, so an increase of ~£30m.

They spend £188m and after costs they have just over £177m - they are short £11m a year. So maybe it's time for the French to step up and do what we have paid them to do. The RNLI cannot afford to keep operating an illegal immigrant taxi service.

Appropriate life boats are provided to meet the expected weather conditions, not the expected number of times or people rescued.
So a boat designed for operating in the channel will always need a higher spec than a boat expected to operate in the Thames.
The frequency of use, in this context, is irrelevant.