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It was introduced 5 years ago. Things have only got worse.
More deaths in the channel.
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Can you claim asylum in france from outside of france? Maybe they need safe legal routes ?
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No idea. Don't care either.
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So you do have an idea of how many have been prosecuted?Facilitation is s25.
Here are some more s24 prosecutions.
I spent a day watching asylum seekers being sent to prison
Asylum seekers are being imprisoned for entering the UK illegally – when there is no legal way of getting inwww.opendemocracy.net
There were other asylum seekers in front of James that day.
Another Sudanese man, aged 24, had also been charged with the same section 24 offence of “illegal entry”. He has been in prison on remand since July 2022, and the nine-month sentence the judge handed down (of which only half needs to be served in custody) has therefore already been exceeded by many months.
James’s sentencing remarks in this case are so charged they could have been lifted from a Home Office press release: “You are just one of thousands who, in the last year or so, have attempted to gain illegal entry into the United Kingdom while trying to navigate the English Channel in a small, unseaworthy, overcrowded boat. In doing so, you put yourself and others in danger, and forced the coastguard to commit considerable time and resources to come and rescue you.
“This is a prevalent offence generating widespread and considerable public concern – particularly considering the unprecedented pressure attempts to circumvent immigration controls in this way is placing on already stretched public resources. Any attempt to evade immigration control has a capacity to undermine a nation’s security.
“This is a method of illegal entry that is generating substantial profits for organised criminal gangs. In such circumstances, sentences need to carry an element of deterrent.”
What sentences? Removed to where ?
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Typically 9 months and you lose your right to claim refugee status.
How many? Enough to put a hole in the argument that people crossing the channel can’t be prosecuted.
How many? Enough to put a hole in the argument that people crossing the channel can’t be prosecuted.
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Not many. Two reasons are that you were facilitating entry of others or you are returning after a previous entry refusal.
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How many? To the nearest thousand, hundred, twenty or whatever you can manage .
Then remind us how many are arriving daily, weekly or monthly.
I'm not bothered whether people can be prosecuted or not. I'm interested in how many actually are, and how many are removed?
Knowing they will be removed promptly if they are not successful in applying is the only way people will realise its not worth the effort and expense ? I don't think the RNLI are in charge of prosecutions.
In nine months, a refugee can commit all kinds of ill deeds. Of course they can be prosecuted. Who suggested they can't? Or are you on about at their point of entry?
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Wrong again, facilitation is s25 offence. Illegal entry is s24, of course your "not many" is a wild guess with zero knowledge as usual.
The sentence is 9 months, they are arrested and remanded in custody upon arrival. All Adults crossing this way can be prosecuted under s24. They are all illegal immigrants, irrelevant of intention to claim asylum. Remember they have had many opportunities to claim asylum in many safe countries on the way.
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How many ?
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Are they ? Really?
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Remanded in custody where?
We don't need houses, hotels or barges then?
Sounds like the rnli are actually part of the system. Fetch them, arrest them.
Then what ?
About 185 according to the Oxford article posted by motorbiking.
Out of the 50,000 asylum seekers about 185 have been prosecuted, which is why I suggested there must have been some other aggravating factor to motivate the prosecution.
But once these asylum seekers have been prosecuted, they have a criminal,record, which is then considered in their asylum application, a kind of catch 22 situation.
Penalise the asylum seekers for entering the country to seek asylum, then use the criminal record to deny trheir claim for asylum, despite the Refugee charter forbidding the penalising of asylum seekers for entering the country in order to seek asylum.
What is worse, if those prosecuted do not have some aggravating factor to be prosecuted, they are randomly selected for prosecution which makes the process inherently unfair and discriminatory.
By the time of the court case the people have usually spent longer in custody so are immediately released.
But then the asylum seekers casnnot be deported due to the refoulement clause of thr Refugee Charter.
No wonder the asylum system has ground to a halt.
It's been modified to achieve that. If hat wasn't the intention, then it's a victim of its own unintended consequences.
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