Mr Bates and the post office

[Brigadier]

Oh, some bums must be twitching like rabbits' noses, this morning.

Post Office lied and threatened BBC over Horizon whistleblower

The firm smeared postmasters in a failed bid to suppress evidence of their innocence, the BBC reveals.

www.bbc.co.uk

Experts interviewed by the BBC were sent intimidating letters by Post Office lawyers about their participation in the programme

Letters are usually signed / authored by a named individual.


Senior Post Office managers briefed the BBC that neither their staff nor Fujitsu - the company which built and maintained the Horizon system - could remotely access sub-postmasters' accounts,

I wonder if the BBC recorded these briefings (and who gave them)?


Lawyers for the Post Office sent letters threatening to sue Panorama......

Letters are usually signed / authored by a named individual.


.....the [PO's] public relations boss Mark Davies escalated complaints to ever more senior BBC managers

Named individual. I wonder if these complaints were in hard-copy?

Documents submitted to the ongoing public inquiry reveal how that small victory was celebrated by Post Office senior management. Then-chief executive Paula Vennells congratulated Mark Davies and his PR team on their "extensive work".

CBE for "Services to the Post Office"? I wonder if this back-slapping was documented, and is in the hands of the Beeb?
One hopes so.

 

[Brigadier]

the term is 'pwned' and since you haven't come up with any argument you are still incorrect.
Keep on truckin'.

Mine has been clear and consistent throughout.

All you've done is pick a hill on which to die, died on it (repeatedly), interspersed with diversionary sniping.


Have you ever worked for a company?

Edited for typo.

 

[blup]

Oh, some bums must be twitching like rabbits' noses, this morning.

Post Office lied and threatened BBC over Horizon whistleblower

The firm smeared postmasters in a failed bid to suppress evidence of their innocence, the BBC reveals.

www.bbc.co.uk

Experts interviewed by the BBC were sent intimidating letters by Post Office lawyers about their participation in the programme

Letters are usually signed / authored by a named individual.


Senior Post Office managers briefed the BBC that neither their staff nor Fujitsu - the company which built and maintained the Horizon system - could remotely access sub-postmasters' accounts,

I wonder if the BBC recorded these briefings (and who gave them)?


Lawyers for the Post Office sent letters threatening to sue Panorama......

Letters are usually signed / authored by a named individual.


.....the [PO's] public relations boss Mark Davies escalated complaints to ever more senior BBC managers

Named individual. I wonder if these complaints were in hard-copy?

Documents submitted to the ongoing public inquiry reveal how that small victory was celebrated by Post Office senior management. Then-chief executive Paula Vennells congratulated Mark Davies and his PR team on their "extensive work".

CBE for "Services to the Post Office"? I wonder if this back-slapping was documented, and is in the hands of the Beeb?
One hopes so.

The mis use of lawyers by liars should be reviewed, before the dodgy practices of our cousins across the pond arrive here

 

[Brigadier]

More names further down the BBC article.

Jail time for these perjurers

 

[Odds]

Mine has been clear and consistent thorughout.

All you've done is pick a hill on which to die, died on it (repeatedly), interspersed with diversionary sniping.


Have you ever worked for a company?

lol

Yes, i've worked for a company.
No, it isn't the Post Office.

Have you read the link to an explanation of the legal status of companies?

 

[Brigadier]

Yes, i've worked for a company.

And did you have personal liability for your actions?

Or sloping shoulders?

No, it isn't the Post Office.

I know; you already said so.

Have you read the link to an explanation of the legal status of companies?

No, and I won't be.

Are you claiming that named individuals within the PO (in this case) will be given immunity from personal responsibility and liability?

 

[blup]

No - its 6 years, there could be angle of deception, but its weak, because it appears that the deception was largely the PO.

That deception must have been known about by fukitsu because the PO were shouting about it before the civil case was heard. Saying nothing is fraud, think of benefits claimants who dont declare change of circumstances.

How the Post Office’s Horizon system failed: a technical breakdown

From bugs to unqualified staff, the Post Office’s point-of-sale system was inadequate on many levels

www.theguardian.com

 

[Munroast]

I have had enough of the whole thing - I'm going to burn my stamp collection in protest

 

[motorbiking]

The mis use of lawyers by liars should be reviewed, before the dodgy practices of our cousins across the pond arrive here

Bluff and Bluster is part of the process of achieving litigation aims. Unlike the SPMs the Beeb has access to extensive legal advice, so no doubt dismissed the communications as such. Now however, it helps the Beeb #metoo on the ITV story.

 

[Justin Passing]

@motorbiking , perhaps. Is it not the case that the top person is ultimately responsible?
Obviously they can't be held responsible for every action of a subordinate, but above some threshold of importance, ultimate responsibility has to vest with #1?
What's the "misconduct" specification to apply in a civil matter, to make it actionable in a ciriminal court?
Fraud?

 

[blup]

Bluff and Bluster is part of the process of achieving litigation aims. Unlike the SPMs the Beeb has access to extensive legal advice, so no doubt dismissed the communications as such. Now however, it helps the Beeb #metoo on the ITV story.

The PO lawyers should review the apparent lies told them by the PO staff, and maybe stop acting for them, like Moaner Michelle’s did for her.

 

[Odds]

No, and I won't be.

Are you claiming that named individuals within the PO (in this case) will be given immunity from personal responsibility and liability?

Until you read the link and discuss the issue from both sides i see no point in going any further.

 

[Brigadier]

Until you read the link and discuss the issue from both sides i see no point in going any further.

Divert.


Then swerve.

PEOPLE.

 

[motorbiking]

@Justin Passing
If we are talking broader than Fujitsu. There are lots of potential "misconducts", not all have criminal sanctions.
- Perverting the course of Justice - plea deals without merit
- Fraud - they demanded money they had no evidence was taken.
- Malicious Prosecution - the bar is very high for this - you have show that it's not simply negligence.
- Contempt of court - Misleading the court deliberately.
- Perjury - giving a false witness statement - needs to be more than simply wrong, needs to be proven lying. (e.g. emails says x, they say y in court).
- Litigation misconduct - victim can claim costs

 

[Brigadier]

Yes, i've worked for a company.

And did you have personal liability for your actions?

Or sloping shoulders?