New Covid rules for the UK coming into effect for...

[denso13]

I didn't record links for this, but I've read in two reports (one was SA) that people going to hospital, increasingly, are assessed then sent home as long as they're fully jabbed, because they'll get over it at home. We may see that the message becomes that there's no need to go, unless there are unusually serious symptoms xyz.

Is that not the way it has always been? Convalesce at home unless you are unwell and need enhanced treatment?

 

[Justin Passing]

Is that not the way it has always been? Convalesce at home unless you are unwell and need enhanced treatment?

Come on, that would be common sense! Not so common for some in these times. Maybe a certain amount of panic, maybe even a little of wanting a paid week off work??

 

[AngleEyes]

omicron is behaving as expected weeks ago (yes I did say so) within the expected variations due to population conditions. It's a short spike with some but not overwhelming hospital admissions, and few deaths.

Is that due to vaccines or because the mutation is less serious, but more transmissible?
And it is still not reached the older and more vulnerable.

The higher rate of increase in some areas of the UK compared with London was predicted, and will be short-lived.
Imo the deaths are not high - compare with influenza https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/tran...formationfoi/deathsfrominfluenzain2019and2020 they're "just another disease".

You're welcome to your opinion. It aligns with Boris's and no other western European leader.

I didn't record links for this, but I've read in two reports

That was convenient.

People's restraint in mixing will slow the spread a bit, flattening curves as per. That will ease some of the surge, but omicron is so transmissible we'll all be exposed to it soon. I'm hearing of more anecdotal stories of people getting it when they've not met anyone new in a week or more. (Family member is one)

It's still not reached the old and more vulnerable.

From what I've read in a number of spread tests over a period, stringent restrictions are of little value with something like omicron, and not worth the damage they cause.

That's OK as long as you're not adversely affected by the virus, or your wealth is more affected by the restrictions than the nations health.

Steady as we go, no dramas, we'll get over it.

I'm sure we will, but I suspect most want to get there with as little distress as possible.
Hence the willingness of so many to observe the precautions that you mention: "People's restraint in mixing will slow the spread a bit" plus the mask wearing, the self-isolation, etc.

 

[Justin Passing]

Is that due to vaccines or because the mutation is less serious, but more transmissible?
And it is still not reached the older and more vulnerable.


You're welcome to your opinion. It aligns with Boris's and no other western European leader.


That was convenient.


It's still not reached the old and more vulnerable.



That's OK as long as you're not adversely affected by the virus, or your wealth is more affected by the restrictions than the nations health.


I'm sure we will, but I suspect most want to get there with as little distress as possible.
Hence the willingness of so many to observe the precautions that you mention: "People's restraint in mixing will slow the spread a bit" plus the mask wearing, the self-isolation, etc.

Nobody, it may surprise you, gives a *** about whether you think they can have an opinion. You don't matter.

South Africa has old and vulnerable too, though a smaller proportion. Read. I have previously posted the demographics.

Another post of nothing much except trolling, then.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

says Adam Brooks -the pub landlord

Oh I do apologise Notch; I forgot that the ordinary person's opinion doesn't count.

I'm going to finish the discussion over the political involvement over Covid restrictions, as you keep misquoting my words

Put whoever is misquoting you on ignore, you won't miss them!

 

[fillyboy]

 

[ajohn]

South Africa has old and vulnerable too, though a smaller proportion. Read. I have previously posted the demographics.

True but reports from there early on say that it was young people who were catching it.

Here they are waiting to see what happens - end of really. Down to vaccination levels they need to know what effect they will have then along comes a new virus. Initially delta levels were rising as well as omicron. They have a clue what it means in terms of delta but not completely as weather and behaviour has changed.

Loose reporting yesterday mentioned a significant increase in hospitals. In some ways it's a penalty to find out what effect the changes will have. They are also probably thinking about natural herd immunity. That in itself eventually gives a reduction in infection levels as will current use of masks. The herd immunity can just relate to specific types of users. Say those that use pubs regularly or similar, eating out etc. Even people who like to chat.

History says they can be prepared to push the NHS too far. Time will tell but infection levels have always spread up the age range. As people get older they are more likely to take more precautions. Stats sometimes seem to show that people don't know what older means in terms of covid.

 

[Deleted member 292770]

I'm going to finish the discussion over the political involvement over Covid restrictions, as you keep misquoting my words and it's getting difficult to have a discussion when I keep having to correct you.

Covid is seasonal. Fact. Prove otherwise.

That’s what the ‘ignore’ button is for. it’s a god send.

 

[Deleted member 292770]

And it is still not reached the older and more vulnerable.

evidence? Where is this reported?

 

[denso13]

evidence? Where is this reported?

Priceless.

 

[denso13]

Come on, that would be common sense!

I've never known anyone to turn up at hospital just for the sake of it, if they don't need additional treatment. But, I don't know everyone, so maybe they do.

 

[denso13]

I forgot that the ordinary person's opinion doesn't count.

Just how you view the vaccinated.

 

[Notch7]

Oh I do apologise Notch; I forgot that the ordinary person's opinion doesn't count

of course it counts…as an opinion.

evidence and facts require verified sources

 

[Justin Passing]

True but reports from there early on say that it was young people who were catching it.

Here they are waiting to see what happens - end of really. Down to vaccination levels they need to know what effect they will have then along comes a new virus. Initially delta levels were rising as well as omicron. They have a clue what it means in terms of delta but not completely as weather and behaviour has changed.

Loose reporting yesterday mentioned a significant increase in hospitals. In some ways it's a penalty to find out what effect the changes will have. They are also probably thinking about natural herd immunity. That in itself eventually gives a reduction in infection levels as will current use of masks. The herd immunity can just relate to specific types of users. Say those that use pubs regularly or similar, eating out etc. Even people who like to chat.

History says they can be prepared to push the NHS too far. Time will tell but infection levels have always spread up the age range. As people get older they are more likely to take more precautions. Stats sometimes seem to show that people don't know what older means in terms of covid.

"It was young people catching it" isn't accurate really - this from CNBC:
"Nineteen (19) percent were children aged 0-9 years and the highest number of admissions was in the age group 30-39 years, making up 28 percent of the total,” the report noted.

It added that the increase in younger admissions to the hospital could be a result of lower vaccination rates in this age group, stating, “it may be that this is a vaccination effect as 57% of people over the age of 50 have been vaccinated in the province compared to 34% in the 18-to-49-year group.” The majority of the Covid ward patients were unvaccinated."
Yes certainly they saw more in the young deciles than with delta, but there none of those are vaccinated. I don't think any of their population is "boosted".
I'm not sure which country you mean "significant increase in hospitals". In SA where it's passing, there was a hospitalisations peak nothing like delta.
Yes there are many factors which alter the susceptibillity of the populations, but none of them appear to help the SA peeps as much as our increased vaccination status helps us.

The London area is the earliest in the UK.... bunch of numbers here (I can't find nice graphs..)
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/covid-hospitalisations-rise-london-remain-203328182.html
and early signs of flattening:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lon...t-cases-omicron-hospitalisations-b974289.html
from https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/n...missions-london-do-not-soar-this-week-1364554
London is less vaxxed than most of course.
Admissions alone isn't the greatest inter-wave comparative measure of hospital strain, because people don't stay in as long, & fewer go on to ICU.
If you look at the rate of rise in those London boroughs, the higher are about 50% rise in a week. But we were told it would be doubling in 2-3 days, so should be eight times higher in a week. Not as bad...

This was 20 dec , Gauteng: https://www.thesouthafrican.com/new...tes-live-hospitalisations-monday-20-december/


More up to date:

I can't find an expanded one I had earlier which more clearly showed eg ICU admissions have peaked, without going high.

(The number being tested in SA is all over the place so even comparitive case numbers are uncertain.)

 

[ajohn]

My conclusions from looking at SA's results page was that they don't keep information well enough to compare with ours. Our medical lot don't tend to trust other countries info anyway. Reinfection is a good example. They are obtaining their own figures. It's slow progress but happens. Israel the do watch. Goes back to Pf using them as a more thorough testing ground with access to their medical records which are thought to be good enough.

Anyway we are in wait and see currently and the latest seems to be the Nightingales. Not the One this time, London, but tents etc as well or maybe just the ones in buildings. One of the newscasts mentioned tents. Some are. They don't have the full kit available.

The herd immunity aspects are interesting. I clicked through Van Tam's Xmas Lectures on the TV but did watch the most recent one. They had a mathematician on.