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AngleEyes said:
Then accept my word for it, that England is acting differently to most other European nations.


You were eager to point out that the three other nations were acting politically, for some strange reason, but you ignored the possibility that Boris was.


You are still basing your ideas on some peculiar notion that the only reason that the three other nations are acting differently is simply to be different.
That's nonsensical that three political leaders would act differently to another simple to be different. In addition Boris was the last to announce any measures (or none), probably heavily influenced by his hard line colleagues. So how could the other three have had any idea on what to base their 'different' strategy?

Your logic appears to be based purely on your political loyalty to Boris.
In addition your logic is demonstrably flawed because you think Covid is seasonal.
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I'm going to finish the discussion over the political involvement over Covid restrictions, as you keep misquoting my words and it's getting difficult to have a discussion when I keep having to correct you.

Covid is seasonal. Fact. Prove otherwise.
 
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cwhaley said:
Influenza is a coronavirus, just like Covid-19 is a coronavirus.

My logic is correct, as both are seasonal.
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What is the difference between Influenza (Flu) and COVID-19?
Influenza (flu) and COVID-19 are both contagious respiratory illnesses, but they are caused by different viruses. COVID-19 is caused by infection with a coronavirus first identified in 2019, and flu is caused by infection with influenza viruses.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm

Influenza (the flu) and COVID-19, the illness caused by the pandemic coronavirus, are both contagious respiratory illnesses, meaning they affect your lungs and breathing, and can be spread to others. Although the symptoms of COVID-19 and the flu can look similar, the two illnesses are caused by different viruses.
COVID-19: Caused by the 2019 coronavirus, also known as SARS-CoV-2. There are different SARS-CoV-2 that have some differences in how severe or transmissible they are.
Flu: Caused by the influenza virus. There are two main types of influenza virus called influenza A and influenza B. Different strains of influenza A and influenza B emerge and circulate each year.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...ronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu

COVID-19 and the flu have several differences. COVID-19 and the flu are caused by different viruses. COVID-19 is caused by a new coronavirus called SARS-CoV-2, while influenza is caused by influenza A and B viruses.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-vs-flu/art-20490339
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Like I said, your logic is flawed.
 
cwhaley said:
but I do believe our reaction to Covid is now more damaging than Covid iteself
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my opinion: I honestly dont know

clearly lessons have been learnt about non pharmaceutical interventions, but whether we will ever know which work, which dont and whether they do more harm than good Ive no idea.
 
cwhaley said:
Covid is seasonal. Fact. Prove otherwise.
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It's not possible to prove a negative.
It's your supposition that Covid is seasonal.
What is your logic for such an idea, other than a Trumpist belief that summer will cure Covid?

While the weather isn’t currently the dominant factor driving SARS-CoV-2 transmission, experts say that in the future COVID-19 may become a disease of winter.

But the increased number of cases in the US and other countries in the Northern Hemisphere in the summer of 2020 contradicted these predictions.

COVID-19’s seasonal signatures
“We cannot rely on climate to make SARS-CoV-2 to disappear,” says Sen Pei, an epidemiologist at Columbia University. But while that’s now clear, early on there were reasons to suspect that SARS-CoV-2 was sensitive to temperature and other climatic factors. These included the fact that respiratory infections tend to be seasonal, and that the new virus’s structure seemed likely to be sensitive to temperature, humidity, and sunlight.

In 2020, various research groups began trying to ferret out whether there was a role for climate in COVID-19, but given the limited data available then, they did not reach a consensus.


https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/is-covid-19-seasonal-69402​
 
denso13 said:
No, it isn't.

"Influenza (flu) is also a respiratory illness that affects your lungs, but flu is caused by a different kind of virus, instead of a coronavirus."

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informations.../coronavirus-symptoms-cold-flu-or-coronavirus
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Apologies, I had mis-quoted a report by the WHO which listed similarities between cornovirus strains and influenza. They are very similar (and both seasonal!) but not classed in the same family as influenza. I'd also remembered a John Hopkins article which also looked at the genetic similarities. Happy to admit I was totally wrong there!

But as I have rightly said, they are both seasonal and there is lots of published evidence to support this.
 
cwhaley said:
Apologies, I had mis-quoted a report by the WHO which listed similarities between cornovirus strains and influenza. They are very similar (and both seasonal!) but not classed in the same family as influenza. I'd also remembered a John Hopkins article which also looked at the genetic similarities. Happy to admit I was totally wrong there!

But as I have rightly said, they are both seasonal and there is lots of published evidence to support this.
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Sorry you are still wrong about it being seasonal. That is based purely on the fact that it's a respiratory illness and little else.
 
AngleEyes said:
It's not possible to prove a negative.
It's your supposition that Covid is seasonal.
What is your logic for such an idea, other than a Trumpist belief that summer will cure Covid?

While the weather isn’t currently the dominant factor driving SARS-CoV-2 transmission, experts say that in the future COVID-19 may become a disease of winter.

But the increased number of cases in the US and other countries in the Northern Hemisphere in the summer of 2020 contradicted these predictions.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/is-covid-19-seasonal-69402​
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Yes that's what Google's exert from one article says, but other reputable journals have produced reports saying things like this:

"COVID-19 is clearly seasonal, like other coronaviruses, the herd immunity level will be lower in the summer and higher in the winter".

"Seasonal illnesses like flu and now Covid-19 thrive in the winter months"

Let's not start a quote war.

 
cwhaley said:
Yes that's what Google's exert from one article says, but other reputable journals have produced reports saying things like this:

"COVID-19 is clearly seasonal, like other coronaviruses, the herd immunity level will be lower in the summer and higher in the winter".

"Seasonal illnesses like flu and now Covid-19 thrive in the winter months"

Let's not start a quote war.
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I don't think herd immunity rises and falls with the seasons.
That alone shows the veracity of that article.
 
@cwhaley never mind crookedeyes. . The intent coming from that direction - and one or two others - is always to create a straw man for you, and tell you why your thinking is wrong - based on lack of understanding, and wishful thinking. He will make pious assertions from a position of self-assured but incorrect knowledge of the situation. It's the troll M.O.. The urge to say something is overwhelming the fact that they have nothing to say.


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Again looking at South Africa, which is ahead of us, and comparing with what we're seeing here:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...just-QUARTER-levels-seen-previous-surges.html
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-africa/#graph-cases-daily
https://graphics.reuters.com/world-...-maps/countries-and-territories/south-africa/
https://covid19.who.int/region/afro/country/za

omicron is behaving as expected weeks ago (yes I did say so) within the expected variations due to population conditions. It's a short spike with some but not overwhelming hospital admissions, and few deaths.
The higher rate of increase in some areas of the UK compared with London was predicted, and will be short-lived.
Imo the deaths are not high - compare with influenza https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/tran...formationfoi/deathsfrominfluenzain2019and2020 they're "just another disease".

I didn't record links for this, but I've read in two reports (one was SA) that people going to hospital, increasingly, are assessed then sent home as long as they're fully jabbed, because they'll get over it at home. We may see that the message becomes that there's no need to go, unless there are unusually serious symptoms xyz.

People's restraint in mixing will slow the spread a bit, flattening curves as per. That will ease some of the surge, but omicron is so transmissible we'll all be exposed to it soon. I'm hearing of more anecdotal stories of people getting it when they've not met anyone new in a week or more. (Family member is one)
From what I've read in a number of spread tests over a period, stringent restrictions are of little value with something like omicron, and not worth the damage they cause.

Steady as we go, no dramas, we'll get over it.
 
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