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Notch7 said:
Dr David Strain, senior clinical lecturer at the University of Exeter medical school, said in his experience the vast majority of Covid patients are admitted because of Covid rather than the infection being an incidental finding
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Respectfully, David Strain isn't a doctor practicing in clinics or hospitals anymore nor is he on the frontline, so I'm curious as to where his experience comes from. If he's anything like the advisors and lecturers who visit local trusts, it will be a quick visit to some of the wards locally and then meetings with seniors who sit on the boards who will have a willy-waving competition trying to prove how well they're doing.

10,462 in hospital "with Covid" as per the figures for yesterday. Thankfully the local Royal Derby Hospital, Burton Hospital and Queens Medical Centre in Nottingham are all relatively quiet on the ICUs, despite lots of nurses having to stay at home because they've caught Omicron. No current red light triggers.

Separately the BBC state today that "not all the patients in hospital will have been admitted for Covid - latest data suggests about three in 10 have the virus but were admitted to hospital for something else", so thankfully the 10,492 figure may not be as bad as it seems.

Let's see how it goes into the new year and hopefully we can look forward to the start of a return to a more open society.
 
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cwhaley said:
Separately the BBC state today that "not all the patients in hospital will have been admitted for Covid - latest data suggests about three in 10 have the virus but were admitted to hospital for something else",
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Where/when did they say this?
 
cwhaley said:
It's written in one of the main UK News articles.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59822687

They have said it several times as I've noted, and consistently this week.
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So 7 out of 10 people in hospital were admitted with Covid!
3 out of 10 either caught it in hospital or were admitted for some other reason, which might be all the more serious because they also had Covid.
Not all the patients in hospital will have been admitted for Covid - latest data suggests about three in 10 have the virus but were admitted to hospital for something else.
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I would think it's reasonably safe to assume that the actual number admitted to hospital, and either Covid was purely coincidental to their condition, or they caught it in hospital was just 1 out of 10. The other 2 out of ten admitted to hospital with Covid, but for some other reason could well have been admitted because Covid was making their condition that much worse than it would otherwise have been.
 
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Notch7 said:
Andy, the evidence is clear: people who are vaccinated are less likely to be hospitalised.
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One man's evidence is another man's manipulated figures. NEVER trust official government figures or statements - you never did before covid, did you?
Notch7 said:
lockdown measures are still right to stop the spread.
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It is said that Sweden, which has not used lockdowns and other measures, has fared better than most countries.
Notch7 said:
“We [have] seen many other people who have been otherwise stable [with] chronic diseases such as heart failure, ulcerative colitis etc that caught Covid and had a rapid deterioration.
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Hospital patients catching, and dying of, viruses and ward infections happened before covid. That's why hospitals are kept so clean, why they smell of disinfectant and why they have such specialised items as spaced-off pipe brackets that can be easily cleaned behind. Been known for years; nothing new.
cwhaley said:
we can look forward to the start of a return to a more open society.
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No we can't, not as long as the new puritan elite are in power.
If You Want a Picture of the Future, Imagine a Boot Stamping on a Human Face – for Ever. (George Orwell).
 
AngleEyes said:
So 7 out of 10 people in hospital were admitted with Covid!
3 out of 10 caught it in hospital!
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That's how I interpreted the statement, yes. The significance of 'with Covid' doesn't seem to be discussed though, as it's not public knowledge as to how those patients are suffering. Lots of people are catching this very transmissible Covid at the moment, and people still get admitted to hospital daily for lots of other separate reasons. Then there's no public data on how the remaining 30% of this figure who caught it in hospital are doing. I end up in hospital for any number of reasons, catch Covid while in my bed, have little to no symptoms but still be counted in the figures. I will never, ever, ever dispute that Covid kills but I just think it takes deeper analysis of the figures to get the true picture and we as Joe public just don't have that data in full.

Using the government's own figures for hospitalisations (found here https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare) the figures seem to have stagnated since the summer, with a small increase towards the end of this month. Obviously there have been delays to reporting so some of the increases around Christmastime are artificial. As I say, let's see where we are in 2-3 weeks' time.
 
cwhaley said:
Respectfully, David Strain isn't a doctor practicing in clinics or hospitals anymore nor is he on the frontline, so I'm curious as to where his experience comes from
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I would imagine his experience comes from this:

David Strain has been playing a key role in the BMAs Covid response since the start of the pandemic.

he is a Lead on Long-COVID for the British Medical Association and a key member of the Long-COVID Taskforce
 
andy11 said:
No we can't, not as long as the new puritan elite are in power.
If You Want a Picture of the Future, Imagine a Boot Stamping on a Human Face – for Ever. (George Orwell).
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These 'offences against the truth' to which you cannot provide intelligent responses?
So you refuse to hear them? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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Notch7 said:
I would imagine his experience comes from this:

David Strain has been playing a key role in the BMAs Covid response since the start of the pandemic.

he is a Lead on Long-COVID for the British Medical Association and a key member of the Long-COVID Taskforce
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But what does his role in the "BMA Covid Repsonse" involve? What do the taskforce do? What was his "key role" compared to those treating ill people in hospital? I know what figures like this in the NHS management are like, and they spent next-to-no time on the frontline.

I only questioned his experience as you'd quoted him a source for dealing with patients suffering from Covid, but I can guarantee he will rarely be out there in the field.
 
cwhaley said:
It's written in one of the main UK News articles.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59822687

They have said it several times as I've noted, and consistently this week.
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As ever, there is no mention of context. 183037 tests out of how many tests taken? We need these figures as percentages.

I haven't seen as many people taking tests as I have this past week, therefore there are bound to be more positive results than ever. It is so meaningless, the population is behaving like sheep as never before even though they all accept this is a mild strain of the disease! Facebook is full of pub pages making "regretful" announcemounts that this year's New Year's Eve party is off.

And another thing... these testing kits are made of plastic. They are used once and instantly disposed of, and there must be billions of them. The waste!
 
andy11 said:
One man's evidence is another man's manipulated figures. NEVER trust official government figures or statements - you never did before covid, did you
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All the evidence around the world points to vaccines saving lives
 
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