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cwhaley said:
Using the government's own figures for hospitalisations (found here https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare) the figures seem to have stagnated since the summer, with a small increase towards the end of this month. Obviously there have been delays to reporting so some of the increases around Christmastime are artificial. As I say, let's see where we are in 2-3 weeks' time.
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Vaccines are working well to reduce hospitalisations and deaths, as to be expected.

As I've said many times before, vaccines are not the only tool in the armoury, masks, hand washing, isolation, social distancing, work from home, some restrictions, etc all play their part.
A return to normal will be when hospitals are fully able to return to their normal function of treating all injuries, infections and illnesses, etc. and the medical industry in general can return to their normal function of preventing illness and disease.
The health of the nation is equally as important or even more so than the wealth of the nation or any individuals.
 
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AngleEyes said:
Vaccines are working well to reduce hospitalisations and deaths, as to be expected.

As I've said many times before, vaccines are not the only tool in the armoury, masks, hand washing, isolation, social distancing, work from home, some restrictions, etc all play their part.
A return to normal will be when hospitals are fully able to return to their normal function of treating all injuries, infections and illnesses, etc. and the medical industry in general can return to their normal function of preventing illness and disease.
The health of the nation is equally as important or even more so than the wealth of the nation or any individuals.
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Well yes, and all of that goes without saying -- all of those measures protect against airborne viruses. At the same time, we know a lot more about it now. Hospitals will be able to return to their normal function quicker when we don't have isolate for having what has now seemed to evolved into a mild seaonal virus. I caught Covid on 10th December, mild symptoms, and my District Nurse other half had to lose ten days' work. Her team is struggling with staffing levels already (lots of staff willing to work, but can't), and not being able to visit patients has proven worse than Covid itself.
 
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andy11 said:
I'm trying
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And failing. Why do you try to convince others to believe what you do? You think it is a hoax, I get that, but others don't. Forget the government, follow the science.
 
cwhaley said:
That's how I interpreted the statement, yes. The significance of 'with Covid' doesn't seem to be discussed though, as it's not public knowledge as to how those patients are suffering. Lots of people are catching this very transmissible Covid at the moment, and people still get admitted to hospital daily for lots of other separate reasons. Then there's no public data on how the remaining 30% of this figure who caught it in hospital are doing. I end up in hospital for any number of reasons, catch Covid while in my bed, have little to no symptoms but still be counted in the figures. I will never, ever, ever dispute that Covid kills but I just think it takes deeper analysis of the figures to get the true picture and we as Joe public just don't have that data in full.

Using the government's own figures for hospitalisations (found here https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare) the figures seem to have stagnated since the summer, with a small increase towards the end of this month. Obviously there have been delays to reporting so some of the increases around Christmastime are artificial. As I say, let's see where we are in 2-3 weeks' time.
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Live data during a pandemic is always going to be like this, there always multiple factors.

if omicron is mild, that’s good. I still believe lockdown rules are the sensible approach

The frustrating thing is the Covid sceptics taking any opportunity to scream “conspiracy”
 
cwhaley said:
Well yes, and all of that goes without saying -- all of those measures protect against airborne viruses. At the same time, we know a lot more about it now. Hospitals will be able to return to their normal function quicker when we don't have isolate for having what has now seemed to evolved into a mild seaonal virus. I caught Covid on 10th December, mild symptoms, and my District Nurse other half had to lose ten days' work. Her team is struggling with staffing levels already (lots of staff willing to work, but can't), and not being able to visit patients has proven worse than Covid itself.
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Ignoring the transmissibility and the sickness and death caused by the virus will not speed a return to normal.
The more people infected , and the longer the pandemic continues the greater the chances of a more deadly strain evolving, the greater the strain on the medical services, the greater the loss of life caused by the virus, etc.
Let's not pretend that the latest version is harmless. it still creates hospital admissions and deaths. It has not yet spread through the older and more vulnerable percentage of the population.
 
andy11 said:
Hospital patients catching, and dying of, viruses and ward infections happened before covid. That's why hospitals are kept so clean, why they smell of disinfectant and why they have such specialised items as spaced-off pipe brackets that can be easily cleaned behind. Been known for years; nothing new
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it’s not about hospital.

it’s about people with chronic illness being worse because of covid
 
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