New Covid rules for the UK coming into effect for...

[cwhaley]

Live data during a pandemic is always going to be like this, there always multiple factors.

if omicron is mild, that’s good. I still believe lockdown rules are the sensible approach

The frustrating thing is the Covid sceptics taking any opportunity to scream “conspiracy”

Yes you're right, which is why the data shared as headline figures can be misleading and should be interpreted differently to how the media are doing.

I also agree that if Omicron is mild (seems to be evolving that way) then it's good. I don't think 'lockdowns' (rather periods of varying restrictions) are the answer anymore though, as they're too damaging and too ineffective. This virus has got very good at spreading very quickly, telling people they need to put a cloth on their face or sit at the table in a pub is so trivial.

I've never used the work 'conspiracy' personally, as after a year of living with it I just started trying to be impartial and objective. I know what you mean though -- events like this bring out all aspects and personalities of society.

 

[denso13]

hysteria sceptics.

Science.

 

[AngleEyes]

I think it’s too early to say that.

I fully agree, and Boris is pinning the nations hopes and risking the nations health on such a possibility, which is out of step with Wales, Scotland, and NI and most of the European nations.

 

[cwhaley]

I think it’s too early to say that.

Probably, but that's what the rhetoric seems to be and hospitalisations are around a third of this time last year. Let's hope and see.

 

[cwhaley]

I fully agree, and Boris is pinning the nations hopes and risking the nations health on such a possibility, which is out of step with Wales, Scotland, and NI and most of the European nations.

Scotland and Wales, yes (as they'll do anything to look different to the invaders in England) but NI is slightly closer to England in its approach (again, probably directed by its political loyalties).

 

[AngleEyes]

Probably, but that's what the rhetoric seems to be and hospitalisations are around a third of this time last year. Let's hope and see.

Mainly due to the vaccines! Not necessarily the seriousness of the virus.
The care and isolation of those infected might also be influential. Although I suspect that by the time people realise they have symptoms, take a test and prepare to self-isolate, they've already spread the virus.

 

[Deleted member 292770]

Yes it is.
It's panto season.

evidence? it’s behind you

 

[cwhaley]

Mainly due to the vaccines! Not necessarily the seriousness of the virus.
The care and isolation of those infected might also be influential.

Now that's where I don't agree. Artificial and natural resilience to the virus is now rife amongst society, partly because we've done a great job of vaccinating people and partly because lots of us have had it and now have antibodies, but viruses do evolve -- it's what they do. Seasonal viruses such as this evolve to be very transmissible (like the common cold) but gradually less severe over time. That's not my opinion, that's fact.

 

[AngleEyes]

Scotland and Wales, yes (as they'll do anything to look different to the invaders in England) but NI is slightly closer to England in its approach (again, probably directed by its political loyalties).

So the three home nations (and the Europeans) base their strategy on politics, but England/Boris doesn't?
Are you aware of how biased that sounds?

 

[AngleEyes]

Seasonal viruses such as this evolve to be very transmissible (like the common cold) but gradually less severe over time. That's not my opinion, that's fact.

Do you see the flaw in your reasoning?
I didn't, until now have you down as a Trump follower:

“Maybe this goes away with heat and light,” said then–US President Donald Trump

Now that's where I don't agree. Artificial and natural resilience to the virus is now rife amongst society, partly because we've done a great job of vaccinating people and partly because lots of us have had it and now have antibodies, but viruses do evolve -- it's what they do.

I've juxtaposed your argument to illustrate how counter intuitive it is .
If the virus is seasonal, there's no season to season immunity.
But it's not seasonal.
And you've mixed up your logic.

 

[Deleted member 292770]

The more people infected , and the longer the pandemic continues the greater the chances of a more deadly strain evolving,

or less deadly.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7095397/

 

[IT Minion]

Lots of people are catching this very transmissible Covid at the moment, and people still get admitted to hospital daily for lots of other separate reasons.

I'm always amazed that people think this isn't a problem, or that it makes the stats better.

If you're in hospital it generally means you're not well. That is a bad time to get an additional illness.

Even if the people aren't hit hard it means that they need to be moved into an isolation ward to prevent others becoming infected which makes treating them harder. Some people have been banging on about reduced cancer treatment during Covid, but having a hospital as a no-go area due to rampant Covid is very very bad.

 

[BlueLoo]

I see that the inventor of the mRNA vaccine method has been censored by the MSM/Twitter.

Modern society, so advanced we can't tolerate any bad or contradictory information.

 

[cwhaley]

So the three home nations (and the Europeans) base their strategy on politics, but England/Boris doesn't?
Are you aware of how biased that sounds?

I don't know about Europe as I didn't mention them, but I suspect the approach is driven by the EU so they are probably fairly united on it.

The constituent parts of the UK (not nations!) have their own approaches. As we know Sturgeon for example is desperate to assert her position as First Minister, so there is most certainly a political motive to appear different to the UK -- to appear to do the 'right thing', compared to England. I follow the actions of the SNP very closely.

 

[Deleted member 292770]

Do you see the flaw in your reasoning?


I've juxtaposed your argument to illustrate how counter intuitive it is .
If the virus is seasonal, there's no season to season immunity.
But it's not seasonal.
And you've mixed up your logic.

In fairness the politicians and ‘experts’ have jumped on the ‘seasonal’ bandwagon with the implication that cases , hospitalisations and deaths would increase massively during winter.