NHS short of money or wasteful ?

[gasbanni]

From what I see there's plenty of new medical centres that must cost a fortune. .......I recieved a proud reading invite to a open day at the new medical centre I'm registereo at ..........what ????? It must have cost a packet ....no wonder there's no spare money available .........from a semi detached bungalow to a palace!!

 

[big-all]

not sure what your point is really
they are more like mini hospitals where they can perform small operations to save them being done more expensively in hospital so need to be more sterile more clinical so old buildings dont work
also with population increases we need additional capacity

 

[Brigadier]

Both.

But to tackle the latter is political suicide.

 

[Doggit]

It's not the buildings that are the issue; it's the old ones that were built under the PFI agreements that's hemorrhaging funds. Then there's the gloves and sundry items that are just bought at whatever price the supplier dictates, with no central purchasing policy. Then it's the bad wages that then encourage the nurses to go to agencies, who charge ten times as much. And finally, it's the absurd salaries and payoffs for the boys at the top. Oh, and the £1.6bn in compensation payments last year doesn't help.

In essence, It's a crap inefficient system that no ones got the courage to tackle; bit like the police really.

 

[SirGalahad]

It's not the buildings that are the issue; it's the old ones that were built under the PFI agreements that's hemorrhaging funds. Then there's the gloves and sundry items that are just bought at whatever price the supplier dictates, with no central purchasing policy. Then it's the bad wages that then encourage the nurses to go to agencies, who charge ten times as much. And finally, it's the absurd salaries and payoffs for the boys at the top. Oh, and the £1.6bn in compensation payments last year doesn't help.

In essence, It's a crap inefficient system that no ones got the courage to tackle; bit like the police really.

And who idea was it to have a broken purchasing policy and local procurement to make it more like a business (internal market) - the Tories. It was the dumbest idea going. The NHS has faults but none are insurmountable. End PFI and this CCG procurement rubbish and fix social care.

 

[SirGalahad]

From what I see there's plenty of new medical centres that must cost a fortune. .......I recieved a proud reading invite to a open day at the new medical centre I'm registereo at ..........what ????? It must have cost a packet ....no wonder there's no spare money available .........from a semi detached bungalow to a palace!!

You should release your energy by thinking less.

 

[gasbanni]

You should release your energy by thinking less.

I observe things .......The staffs cars, the buildings, the no expense spared senario. The living that's made on the NHS, lack of money or inefficiency regarding budgets.


Look what Blair did throwing money at doctors, how their wage bill jumped up !!!!!!

 

[SirGalahad]

I observe things .......The staffs cars, the buildings, the no expense spared senario. The living that's made on the NHS, lack of money or inefficiency regarding budgets.


Look what Blair did throwing money at doctors, how their wage bill jumped up !!!!!!

Seems like you are jealous. Drs are well paid because it takes about 20 years of university and training to become a consultant and even then I know many IT contractors who are paid more who have less training in terms of years on the job.

The living on the NHS? So thats why there are Nurse shortages and Dr shortages?

You might observe but you definitely don't think. Your a sad little jealous person and as a right winger I would have thought promoting individualism and hard work would be right up your street?

 

[big-all]

I observe things .......The staffs cars, the buildings, the no expense spared senario. The living that's made on the NHS, lack of money or inefficiency regarding budgets.


Look what Blair did throwing money at doctors, how their wage bill jumped up !!!!!!

well you make what assumptions you like in the possible 2 or three locations you use
is it a patients car a doctors car a preists car who knows you cant tell
all i can tell you is the people i know who work in the hospital get the bus to work as they cant afford a car
with parking problems and charges preclude all but the time and money rich or desperate from using them

 

[Doggit]

It's amazing what the local surgeries do nowadays. I got booked in for an ultrasound for a hernia, and they did a blood test on monday. Both appointments were on time, unlike the local hospital where I'd have taken a paper to read, but I could have got the bled test done a couple of days earlier if I'd been prepared to hang around the hospital. My mum had heart tests done at central surgery, so they are extending them.

Now whilst I think this is great, and a much better service, Gasbanni does have a point, in that the money has to come from somewhere, and if it goes to the surgeries, then the hospitals have to lose out somewhere. I don't think the government thinks all it's initiatives through. All these regional assemblies and police oversight bodies, plus all the new mayors, are just a political feel good waste of time and money.

 

[Roger928]

The europhiles told us that being in the eu was the path to wealth and plenty, so its strange and bizarre that we have a nhs that is bordering on third world standards.

I'm working with a guy at the moment who ripped his ligament from his shoulder after a fall on a building site and he's been waiting 18 months now for an operation.
Have tried to persuade him to go private as I know he can afford it.
He didn't claim from his employer's insurance and I was disappointed that his employer didn't offer a claim.

I would have thought his ligament was beyond being capable of being re attached after 18 months?

 

[Doggit]

You have to remember that this isn't and EU issue, it was caused partially by the american home loan scandal back in 2008, but mainly by Gordon Browns excessive use of PFI deals to build hospitals, which has now left the NHS with an unsustainable debt.

It's interesting that Corbyn admitted to Browns mistakes though.
https://www.theguardian.com/society...mess-of-hospital-pfi-deals-says-jeremy-corbyn

And whilst the NHS needs saving of £22m by 2020 to be able to balance it's books, Brown saddled the NHS with a £60m debt with the PFI deals.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/hea...axpayer-60billion-bill-for-new-hospitals.html

 

[Judy in the sky]

it's the old ones that were built under the PFI agreements that's hemorrhaging funds.

And there I thought it was new hospitals that were built under the PFI agreements. Who'd have thought it ehh

 

[Doggit]

Ha Ha Ha.

 

[SirGalahad]

The europhiles told us that being in the eu was the path to wealth and plenty, so its strange and bizarre that we have a nhs that is bordering on third world standards.

I'm working with a guy at the moment who ripped his ligament from his shoulder after a fall on a building site and he's been waiting 18 months now for an operation.
Have tried to persuade him to go private as I know he can afford it.
He didn't claim from his employer's insurance and I was disappointed that his employer didn't offer a claim.

I would have thought his ligament was beyond being capable of being re attached after 18 months?

Third world? Keep trolling. As to the op find out if the hospital is short staffed or services cuts due to Austerity which you say doesn't exist.

As to his injury hard to say if completely torn they reconstruct ligaments using autografts usually from tendons.

Don't think too much.