NHS short of money or wasteful ?

Doggit said:
You have to remember that this isn't and EU issue, it was caused partially by the american home loan scandal back in 2008, but mainly by Gordon Browns excessive use of PFI deals to build hospitals, which has now left the NHS with an unsustainable debt.

It's interesting that Corbyn admitted to Browns mistakes though.
https://www.theguardian.com/society...mess-of-hospital-pfi-deals-says-jeremy-corbyn

And whilst the NHS needs saving of £22m by 2020 to be able to balance it's books, Brown saddled the NHS with a £60m debt with the PFI deals.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/hea...axpayer-60billion-bill-for-new-hospitals.html
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Which needs to be ended. Didn't see that in the Tory manifesto.

All these PFI are bad value for the tax payer, yet why do Govs persist with them?
 
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I say they are wasteful. Time and money.

I waited 4 hours in a quiet A&E on Saturday.
 
Ineptitude is another great factor. My daughter had to go into hospital last year, and the nurses couldn't use the drip properly, and I had to work it out in the end. There seemed to be a lot of staff just wandering around doing nothing, but when mum was in hospital, they just ignored her, and completely overrode her wishes. A junior doctor assessed her and decided she didn't need any of her regular medication, and she put on 2 stone with water retention; the idiot didn't seem to understand that it was the medication that kept her stable.
 
Both.
Government cuts + wasteful private partnerships that are bleeding them dry.
It literally costs a ward hundreds of pounds to change light bulbs every year - everything from mopping the floor to replacing a cracked tile is outsourced to private companies that charge ludicrous amounts for their services. Great for shareholders though - tax payers money helps private businesses make bigger profits. What a great system.
The NHS is failing, but some wealthy shareholders and making a mint. Lucky them, they can afford private healthcare!
 
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jonbey said:
Both.
Government cuts + wasteful private partnerships that are bleeding them dry.
It literally costs a ward hundreds of pounds to change light bulbs every year - everything from mopping the floor to replacing a cracked tile is outsourced to private companies that charge ludicrous amounts for their services. Great for shareholders though - tax payers money helps private businesses make bigger profits. What a great system.
The NHS is failing, but some wealthy shareholders and making a mint. Lucky them, they can afford private healthcare!
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It's by design this policy to break the NHS and for that alone I could never vote Tory again after voting for Cameron.
 
Kankerot said:
So anecdotal evidence. Did you find out why you had to wait so long?
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No, I got there at 9:15 and it said on the board to expect a 3.5-4 hour wait. We saw the Triage nurse about 9:45, then waited till near 1am to have my sons chest listened too.
 
Brigadier said:
Got a source for that, or is it just your anecdote?
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Didums go read the Naylor Report as a starting point.

There is more but let's start there or go read the king's Fund.

You got any anecdotes to the contrary?
 
Kankerot said:
And who idea was it to have a broken purchasing policy and local procurement to make it more like a business (internal market) - the Tories. It was the dumbest idea going. The NHS has faults but none are insurmountable. End PFI and this CCG procurement rubbish and fix social care.
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And who's idea was it to create a public health system that requires unlimited funding in perpetuity? - Labour.

OK OK, that was unknind, it was the first social health system in the world so it's not surprising that it wasn't built to last. But now we have other systems to compare with we should pick a sustainable one. Switzerland perhaps?
 
Kankerot said:
Didums go read the Naylor Report as a starting point.

There is more but let's start there or go read the king's Fund.

You got any anecdotes to the contrary?
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Diddums yourself.

Have you a link to the part in your documents, where it is stated Tory policy to break the nhs?
 
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Brigadier said:
Diddums yourself.

Have you a link to the part in your documents, where it is stated Tory policy to break the nhs?
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So someone has to state their actions before doing them? Ok then go read Jeremy Hunt book he co-authored on replacing the NHS with private insurance and now recently why there has been a judicial review on his attempt to try sneak through restructuring of the NHS into a public/private enterprise, which is based upon the US private health insurance-based system using Accountable care organisations.

Now I suppose you can go read something and inform yourself.
 
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