No deadlier than the flu you say? lololol

[AngleEyes]

In the very early days I remember a chap, whose opinion should be respected, saying how virii have been historically known to develop. He made it all sound so simple because he really did know his subject.

In layman's terms, he explained how the virus HAS to mutate & he explained the 2x ways it could go. It could either mutate into something incredibly deadly, or it could mutate into something relatively harmless.

I wouldn't put too much reliance on the 'knowledge' of the person you quoted.
The virus does not 'have to' mutate. It does so because the 'reproduction process' is flawed. It's purely accidental that it mutates. It's because it is so bad at reproducing its RNA.
So mutation is totally random and accidental, but reliable, only in that it will occur.
Sometimes that mutation makes no noticeable difference to any effects. Sometimes a more deadly virus is the result, but because it is more deadly, it kills its hosts, and does not propagate itself. Sometimes it's less deadly, but more transmissible, which means the virus spreads wider, quicker, sooner even via different ways, or bypasses protections. It's not possible to predict how it will mutate.

One thing that can be relied on is: the more cases there are, the greater the chance of more (unpredictable) mutations.

 

[AngleEyes]

I definitely haven't worked out that flu is less dangerous than covid. Godwas suggested that we should dismiss the covid threat as it is now no worse than flu.

I believe that viewpoint is flippant; flu is still a deadly disease that may kill upto 600'000 people per year - one that incidentally we also vaccinate against.

They are different, but there is a similarity, in that they both mutate in unpredictable ways. And we cannot foretell what the next variant to go around will be.
Therefore the more cases there are, and the longer the virus circulates, the greater the risk of more and more variants.

 

[AngleEyes]

Corona virus are known to change periodically.

Each time it 'reproduces' minor faults occur in the RNA structure. They are faults in the process, rather than 'by design',
Sometimes those minor faults make no noticeable difference to the virus, Sometimes it can be an 'earth-shattering' change.
Viruses are extremely flawed at reproducing their RNA, even though they have relatively very few 'sequences' to reproduce.
In comparison, humans are extremely good in reproducing their DNA, and have vastly more 'sequences'.
But think of the small changes that still occur, and sometimes the life 'changing' issues that occur in some individuals.

 

[Deleted member 292770]

I believe that viewpoint is flippant; flu is still a deadly disease that may kill upto 600'000 people per year - one that incidentally we also vaccinate against.

I’ve had flu a few times . Real flu I mean. never had a vaccination though. A lot of people who get the flu jab still get flu. Like covid I think.

 

[AngleEyes]

I’ve had flu a few times . Real flu I mean. never had a vaccination though. A lot of people who get the flu jab still get flu. Like covid I think.

Like Covid, if they do get it, vaccination reduces the risk of serious illness.
Many people suffer further illness after flu' just as many would suffer after Covid.
Pneumonia and other chest infections is a common complication of flu'.

There is also the risk that the flu' vaccine will be ineffective at providing protection against flu' due to the incorrect variant of flu' being identified.
Like Covid, flu' is flawed at reproducing itself accurately, so various new strains re-appear each time.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

5.48 million have died from Covid

so it’s 10x worse than flu

and you’ve worked out it’s less dangerous

how do you get through the day

That's a blatant misrepresentation of numbers Notch.

(With reference to the numbers in Random Grinch's post).

 

[ajohn]

Flu is an entirely different animal. There are several recognised strains. The vaccines protect against several and researchers decide which concoction to use. In the past this has been described as guessing which one will turn up and some years vaccination programs are not as effective as usual. I can only recollect one comment on that in recent years where results were disappointing. One flu strain caused the most recent pandemic prior to covid

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

As mentioned in the above it has cropped up again several times. It may do again so the UK stocks a vaccine for it. They say a small stock. This pandemic is the only one the west really has an experience of dealing with. Some eastern countries have had much more recent experiences that never really reached the west. People concentrations are much higher now than the early 1900 and people move around more freely. Flu is a good example of how long a virus can go on doing it's work. The common cold is too. Severity can go either way at any time.

 

[Notch7]

I’ve had flu a few times . Real flu I mean. never had a vaccination though. A lot of people who get the flu jab still get flu. Like covid I think.

not the same really

flu almost never puts younger people in hospital

 

[Notch7]

That's a blatant misrepresentation of numbers Notch.

(With reference to the numbers in Random Grinch's post).

No it isn’t.

sure the 5 million is over the whole pandemic period, not 1 year.
but 3.3million died in 2020

Modelling of influenza deaths gives around 250k to 500k pa


So Covid is around 10x worse

please don’t start this carp about “within 28 days Yada yada Yada” - in global figures Covid is certain to be widely underreported.

 

[denso13]

Some years ago I read a book called "How We Die", written by a retired doctor.

Do you believe doctors? You know, the ones who decide whether, and how, Covid is mentioned on death certificates.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Do you believe doctors? You know, the ones who decide whether, and how, Covid is mentioned on death certificates.

I referred to an American doctor from many years ago, not a modern day NHS doctor writing what a socialist beaurocracy tells him to write.

 

[denso13]

not a modern day NHS doctor writing what a socialist beaurocracy tells him to write.

Any evidence that doctors are lying?

 

[Deleted member 18243]

No it isn’t.

sure the 5 million is over the whole pandemic period, not 1 year.
but 3.3million died in 2020

Modelling of influenza deaths gives around 250k to 500k pa


So Covid is around 10x worse

please don’t start this carp about “within 28 days Yada yada Yada” - in global figures Covid is certain to be widely underreported.

You admit what you did, very good thank you.

I won't yada yada yada, but I will remind you that it is my contention that covid is a number of other diseases misattributed for motives of profit, and that the overall death figures prove this.

What were the influenza death numbers during the covid era in comparison to previously?

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Any evidence that doctors are lying?

Evidence schmevidence.

 

[denso13]

and that the overall death figures prove this.

No, they don't. Why don't you set out your csse properly for once, show us the figures and demonstrate why they are wrong.

What were the influenza death numbers during the covid era in comparison to previously?

You are making the claim, why should others do the work for you? You tell us, if they are important.