No deadlier than the flu you say? lololol

[denso13]

Evidence schmevidence.

That's it in a nutshell. The antivaxxer mob sit in their comfy chairs and spew out nothing but crackpot opinions. No evidence, no back up, ever.

 

[ajohn]

That's a blatant misrepresentation of numbers Notch.

Lets see you produce some numbers then. The source would be of interest as well.

 

[ajohn]

That's a blatant misrepresentation of numbers Notch.

Lets see you produce some numbers then. The source would be of interest as well.

Modelling of influenza deaths gives around 250k to 500k pa

There is no need to model flu. Excess deaths give the number which are limited to a certain period of the year that may vary a bit, Modelling doesn't figure. They happened.

The numbers are reduced all over the world in many countries by vaccination programs. Limiting deaths is one factor but a major aspect is reducing the total cost of treating people. Fewer need that so it's cost effective. Very actually.

 

[denso13]

Lets see you produce some numbers then.

You must be joking.

Antivaxxers tell us that their lives haven't changed, they still defiantly do what they did. They go to the pub with friends, they go to the mosh pits at concerts, they work as normal and tell their customers, with glee, that they have refused the vaccine. They are obsessed with trying to convince billions of people that they were wrong.

 

[BlueLoo]

What's an "Anti-vaxxer"?

 

[AngleEyes]

What were the influenza death numbers during the covid era in comparison to previously?

You are making the claim, why should others do the work for you? You tell us, if they are important.

I'm happy to offer a simple and easily understandable explanation for the reason for a reduction in flu' deaths during a Covid pandemic:
The precautions taken against Covid, (e.g. masks, social distancing, isolating and other restrictions) also give unintended protection against other airborne viruses such as flu'.
Simples!

 

[denso13]

What's an "Anti-vaxxer"?

A conspiracy theorist.

 

[BlueLoo]

A conspiracy theorist.

So it's just a label to invalidate the persons opinion and has nothing to do with either Covid or vaccines?

 

[denso13]

So it's just a label

No.

and has nothing to do with either Covid or vaccines?

In the context of this thread it has everything to do with it.

 

[BlueLoo]

No.



In the context of this thread it has everything to do with it.

You should look up the definition of "Generalisation".

 

[ajohn]

You must be joking

I do know where the thoughts of high death rates from flu come from. They relate to this but I am not sure I agree with the reasons suggested at the end. From the BMJ

So the government are now apparent not only blaming fluctuations in winter mortality on flu but all excess winter mortality on flu, to the the tune of more than 50,000 deaths. The reality is that Public Health England had already published the flu mortality figures for the season in May [4]:

"Through the USISS mandatory scheme, a total of 3,454 ICU/HDU admissions of
confirmed influenza were reported across the UK from week 40 2017 to week 15 2018,
including 372 deaths, based on combined data from England, Scotland and Northern
Ireland. In England, the total number of influenza confirmed admissions to ICU/HDU
was 3,175 (rate of 0.22 per 100, 000 population) and 320 deaths during the same
period...

"The cumulative number of cases and deaths were higher compared to the 2016 to 2017
season (992 cases (rate of 0.06) and 112 deaths) and to the 2015 to 2016 season
(2,173 cases (rate of 0.14 per 100, 000) and 166 deaths) in England. This season
represents the highest number and rate observed since the beginning of the scheme
..."

On this basis, the number of deaths in England and Wales in an admittedly exceptionally bad year would have been only in the region of 335-340 deaths, and the ONS seem to have exaggerated the risk to the public by in the region of 150 times.

The House of Commons Science and Technology Committee have been complaining about low flu vaccine uptake again [5] but we do not even have any information about the vaccination status of the people who died. There are serious ethical issues both for medicine and government here which have yet to be addressed.

There are several reasons this might happen one is the ONS produce all sorts of graphs. Media may have grabbed the wrong one. The authorities may not have thought they should correct matters. It was the winter excess deaths which is always higher compared with summer

Anyway look at the numbers given by PHE for those needing treatment. The NHS can do without them this year and last. The PHE figures can be lower than reality. SARI watch is not 100%. The ONS can get round excess death variations via death certificates, what reason is given on them. An ONS whistle blower complained about what GP's were putting on them early on particularly those in care homes. Diseases they had never heard of and in some cases ones that were far too high,

So they correct things via certificates and the results change. The flu etc shows the average over 5 years.

 

[Dork Lard]

What's an "Anti-vaxxer"?

Good question.

Joe Rogan & Dr. Robert Malone are classic examples. As are the signatures of The Great Barrington Declaration, as well as Kary B Mullis.

Not forgetting the countless 100's of 1000's of highly qualified medical scientists silenced by their paymasters, the MD's, the nurses & other medical practitioners.

Then we have the topflight sports men & women all over the world, who've had one eye on the effects to early adopters who bought the spin.

 

[ajohn]

An interesting read

LOL Whoops. They allow me to download this so all probably can
https://www.researchgate.net/public...otocol_Prospective_observational_cohort_study

 

[Dork Lard]

I wouldn't put too much reliance on the 'knowledge' of the person you quoted.

Then you seem to simply repeat what was said?

If a journalist chooses a qualified & respected source to interview, should we discard anything that's discovered until it's cleared with you?

 

[denso13]

Not forgetting the countless 100's of 1000's of highly qualified medical scientists silenced by their paymasters, the MD's, the nurses & other medical practitioners.

Then we have the topflight sports men & women all over the world, who've had one eye on the effects to early adopters who bought the spin.

Evidence for any of that?

Why create a new account instead of sticking with the old one(s)?