so can I,orderly as in everything follows the local rules of physics
how do you think the universe came about then?
Matt
No You Don't just die and thats it.......
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so can I,orderly as in everything follows the local rules of physics
how do you think the universe came about then?
Matt
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yourself. I was using the word faith in it's religous sense, I've got faith that the sun will rise tomorrow. Nothing to do with religion, just experience.
That was my point Sooey
I know, but when I said that atheism was not a faith I was answering this nonsense from joe.
So it was obvious in what context I was using it.
So it was obvious in what context I was using it.
On common goodness, peace and love, love of animals and humanity, compassion, helping poors, salvation etc, these are the grounds, most of which are true British values, or you may even say Christian values. These are the values God loves, not when you may go to a house of prayer and worship God 50 times a day and then go out and kill humanity and free will in his name.
like its been said "Thy shall not kill etc etc."
God is our creator, our father, our protector, not our enemy. He is a friend in the hour of need.
What God would advocate men to destroy his creation, only a satan would love to unfold God's wonderful work of creation. satan was jealous when God created a man with a free will, made from earth, who could choose whatever belief he wanted without loosing God's favour, God loves all his creation alike and equally, satan is afraid because man could overrun him, we have the ability to shut up satan, cool him down, use his anger (surplus energy) to our benefit!
People doing the good deeds are worthy of God's love more than those who go out to pray and carry out nasty and evil things in his name.
Doesn't that not explain why most foreigners living in countries with demented ideology desperately want to come to British isle because of our true goodness and Christian values, sadly the satan's followers have also infiltrated amongst them and have come over to damage our good values and our ideology in a free will and just society, doing the good deeds. whether or not we go to church or pray to that Almighty who created us all.
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But I believe in all of the above,and I'm atheist
everything else you said was you trying to assert your beliefs as fact
ie "satan was jealous when God created a man with a free will" has around as much potential truth in it as "Jason set out to recover the golden fleece" or "The Hare and the Tortoise had a race"
you can't pedal hearsay as fact
Matt
Yes Matt, I said exactly that, what good is for a man praying 50 times a day and then to go out and commit gravest sin, take a life of another human,
Did I not say that one is 10 Thousand times more acceptable when he goes out of his way to help others, save lives, helps the poor, than one who does nothing and only goes out to pray in a house of prayers and then commits the most heinous crimes.
A belief in a God or a religion is not essential to perform good deeds, a good deed is thousands times more worthy than a bad deed by a worshipper!
God or No God. You are just as entitled to not believe in one as anyone else who wants to, that is what free will is about, that is not abusing the free will, abusing would be when you use your free will to harm others and cause them stress or force your ideology on them.
This is my own ideology and my faith in a God the creator, I am not asserting my values onto anyone,
I couldn't care less if people were blinded by nasties going on around the world and are too weak or blind to see the cause of all these troubles, they cannot see the faults and cracks in their ideology.
Now don't give me that you follow an ideology that tells you to go and murder another human being because he does not follow your ideology!
That is when satan springs to mind, it is self evident, does not require you to have a phd in religion, you have a mind of your own, so use it without getting brainwashed, this is my ideology.
Did I not say that one is 10 Thousand times more acceptable when he goes out of his way to help others, save lives, helps the poor, than one who does nothing and only goes out to pray in a house of prayers and then commits the most heinous crimes.
A belief in a God or a religion is not essential to perform good deeds, a good deed is thousands times more worthy than a bad deed by a worshipper!
God or No God. You are just as entitled to not believe in one as anyone else who wants to, that is what free will is about, that is not abusing the free will, abusing would be when you use your free will to harm others and cause them stress or force your ideology on them.
This is my own ideology and my faith in a God the creator, I am not asserting my values onto anyone,
I couldn't care less if people were blinded by nasties going on around the world and are too weak or blind to see the cause of all these troubles, they cannot see the faults and cracks in their ideology.
Now don't give me that you follow an ideology that tells you to go and murder another human being because he does not follow your ideology!
That is when satan springs to mind, it is self evident, does not require you to have a phd in religion, you have a mind of your own, so use it without getting brainwashed, this is my ideology.
I know, but when I said that atheism was not a faith I was answering this nonsense from joe.
So it was obvious in what context I was using it.
Joe obviously did not know what an Atheist was then
ie Atheist = one who does not believe in the existence of deities
to be fair I agree with Joe that you could describe Atheism as "a faith" though
In the Army they have Chaplains to deal with pastoral needs and for weekly services which were compulsory in Junior service.
I am a great believer in the non religious parts of the ten commandments.
I guess when I gave up religion I cherry picked the best bits and left the predjudice and power games behind.
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I can see both sides here. I don't believe, although I went to a Quaker school and was brought up to respect religion and those who follow a religion.
I too have my own set of rules by which I live, without guidance from anyone else.
But I totally agree, some people fight in the name of God, think it's OK to kill in the name of God and others think it's fine to go through life doing as they please as long as, come Sunday, a bit of forgiveness lets them off the hook.
Then they can start a whole new week of sinning afresh.
Please.....
I too have my own set of rules by which I live, without guidance from anyone else.
But I totally agree, some people fight in the name of God, think it's OK to kill in the name of God and others think it's fine to go through life doing as they please as long as, come Sunday, a bit of forgiveness lets them off the hook.
Then they can start a whole new week of sinning afresh.
Please.....
what good is for a man praying 50 times a day though? the time could be spent actually helping others rather than asking some supernatural being to to do it for for him.
so does it not follow that a good deed done by a non worshipper is worth even more as they haven't wasted time needlessly worshipping so can fit more doing good in?
I agree, so will you now stop pedaling your belief as fact?
or will you consult your scriptures first with your "fee will"to help you decide how to act on it?
Indeed Matt, i put my beliefs in action, always have done, I go out of my way to help people of all kinds, I don't ask them if they have a faith,
When the tsunami hit Indian ocean, I donated more fairly large sums of moneyto various Charities to help those in need.
When an earth quake struck and demolished hundreds of villages in Kashmir, I donated another fairly large sum.
When the poor Southern Sudanese suffered at the hands of terrorists operating in southern Sudan killing and raping innocent people, I donated money when charities highlighted their plight.
I donate money towards poor nations with poor sanitation and other water related problems, helping charities like water aid.
I help the children's charities here and abroad.
I donate money for animal welfare, other charities, I try to preach peace within communities, I condemn all bad actions and killing,
I don't pray 50 times a day.
But i have a faith in a Creator.
I don't preach my doctrine, we here discussing, I simply stated my ideology,
You indeed are a good example of being an Atheist and a good man, whose actions is what counts. no offence taken, i am not asking you to take God in your thoughts, but I have him in mine all the time, and it does not stop me doing good deeds.
When the tsunami hit Indian ocean, I donated more fairly large sums of moneyto various Charities to help those in need.
When an earth quake struck and demolished hundreds of villages in Kashmir, I donated another fairly large sum.
When the poor Southern Sudanese suffered at the hands of terrorists operating in southern Sudan killing and raping innocent people, I donated money when charities highlighted their plight.
I donate money towards poor nations with poor sanitation and other water related problems, helping charities like water aid.
I help the children's charities here and abroad.
I donate money for animal welfare, other charities, I try to preach peace within communities, I condemn all bad actions and killing,
I don't pray 50 times a day.
But i have a faith in a Creator.
I don't preach my doctrine, we here discussing, I simply stated my ideology,
You indeed are a good example of being an Atheist and a good man, whose actions is what counts. no offence taken, i am not asking you to take God in your thoughts, but I have him in mine all the time, and it does not stop me doing good deeds.
To be fair I am all for people 'believing' in GOD as if they don't believe they may simply not bother with anything. Christianity does give guidance and it preaches to be forgiving.
I do 'believe' in atheism as a true altruistic form of 'belief'.
However there are no rules anywhere to say how atheism is to be followed.
The problem theologically is this . . what if?
The entire planet was either Christian or Muslim. Either the whole world was converted to Christianity or the whole world converted to Islam.
Now answer this question.
Will there still be killing or wars?
If the answer is yes (which it will be as wars are product of politics) then could it be said that religion cannot actually serve any purpose?
That religion is defeated before its even started (only a couple of thousand years so far and not doing very well).
I do 'believe' in atheism as a true altruistic form of 'belief'.
However there are no rules anywhere to say how atheism is to be followed.
The problem theologically is this . . what if?
The entire planet was either Christian or Muslim. Either the whole world was converted to Christianity or the whole world converted to Islam.
Now answer this question.
Will there still be killing or wars?
If the answer is yes (which it will be as wars are product of politics) then could it be said that religion cannot actually serve any purpose?
That religion is defeated before its even started (only a couple of thousand years so far and not doing very well).
answer these questions
a) do you honestly believe there are only 2 religions?
b) have you actually checked what an atheist is? it's dead easy to follow
And you seem to be a good example of a good christian man Mike so the compliment is returned but I am trying to get my head around this bit
What do you mean?
are you saying that having your god in your thoughts can sometimesstop one doing good deeds?
Of course there are many religions but to see if religion really can have a basis for world peace or whether religion is simply politics with a fake front. For the purposes of the exercise you have to assume one religion is worldwide and all encompassing to take religious tension out of the scenario.
If the world was fully atheist I believe wars would be lesser as religion allows wars to cross the boundaries of space and create conflict within non national arenas.
The Arab Spring has shown that the wars are not even for the purposes of expanding boundaries but simply wresting control and power by infiltration.
We have a lot to learn about the insidious nature of Islam.
Islam is the Cuckoo the Uk at the moment is yet another of its nests.
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