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[matt1e]

Of course there are many religions but to see if religion really can have a basis for world peace or whether religion is simply politics with a fake front. For the purposes of the exercise you have to assume one religion is worldwide and all encompassing to take religious tension out of the scenario.

If the world was fully atheist I believe wars would be lesser as religion allows wars to cross the boundaries of space and create conflict within non national arenas.

The Arab Spring has shown that the wars are not even for the purposes of expanding boundaries but simply wresting control and power by infiltration.

We have a lot to learn about the insidious nature of Islam.

Islam is the Cuckoo the Uk at the moment is yet another of its nests.

well this is another debate Itshere but some good points anyway
Believe me though, there would still be wars
all wars are the products of man anyway and reasons given by the perpetrators may or may not be the actual reason

 

[EddieM]

They wouldn't recognise the truth if it bit them on the glans.

And you wouldn't understand it anyway. coz your thick.

OK Eddie. Let's try again.

Where did the Universe come from?

Did it come from nothing? Or from something? If it's something then let's call that something God.

Did it come from nothing? OK, what acted upon the nothing to make it a something? Let's give it a name. Let's call it God.

There you go Eddie. Prove me wrong. (he won't).

OK here's ur answers.

It came from nothing, nothing acted on nothing to make it nothing (nothing exists). satisfied, prove me wrong.

You've proved yourself wrong. Your science tells you that every effect must have a cause.

I think you'll find that is cause has an effect, dimwit.

Worra plonka

The two are inextricably linked. I knew you were dumb - but not that dumb.

Not really but your mind is far too small and uneducated to deal with that. Sean is quite a class A one self admittedly uneducated dickhe@d. I really think you should see someone, you have delusions of adequacy.

 

[joe-90]

They wouldn't recognise the truth if it bit them on the glans.

And you wouldn't understand it anyway. coz your thick.

OK Eddie. Let's try again.

Where did the Universe come from?

Did it come from nothing? Or from something? If it's something then let's call that something God.

Did it come from nothing? OK, what acted upon the nothing to make it a something? Let's give it a name. Let's call it God.

There you go Eddie. Prove me wrong. (he won't).

OK here's ur answers.

It came from nothing, nothing acted on nothing to make it nothing (nothing exists). satisfied, prove me wrong.

You've proved yourself wrong. Your science tells you that every effect must have a cause.

I think you'll find that is cause has an effect, dimwit.

Worra plonka

The two are inextricably linked. I knew you were dumb - but not that dumb.

Not really but your mind is far too small and uneducated to deal with that. Sean is quite a class A one self admittedly uneducated dickhe@d. I really think you should see someone, you have delusions of adequacy.

Ok then, you give us an example of an effect which has no cause. (he won't).

 

[joe-90]

No, but I can see that we live in an orderly universe that came from somewhere.

so can I,orderly as in everything follows the local rules of physics

how do you think the universe came about then?

Matt

No idea, and no-one ever will because we cannot move back pre the big bang.

Therefore you have two options:

1) the universe came from nowhere, and has no purpose whatsoever.

2) The universe must have come from somewhere, so probably has a purpose (even if we don't know what that purpose is).

There is no evidence for the first.

The fact we are here is evidence of the second.

Neither are knowable so are both a faith.

I'd tend to agree with the latter as being more plausible.

 

[wobs]

No, but I can see that we live in an orderly universe that came from somewhere.

so can I,orderly as in everything follows the local rules of physics

how do you think the universe came about then?

Matt

No idea, and no-one ever will because we cannot move back pre the big bang.

Therefore you have two options:

1) the universe came from nowhere, and has no purpose whatsoever.

2) The universe must have come from somewhere, so probably has a purpose (even if we don't know what that purpose is).

There is no evidence for the first.

The fact we are here is evidence of the second.

Neither are knowable so are both a faith.

I'd tend to agree with the latter as being more plausible.

So many fallacies in one post.

Its also one big fat strawman argument.

I have explained all of this to you before, so I won't go into it again, but your abuse of language, science, theology, common knowledge is willful and sad.

 

[joe-90]

Not as sad as you. You dare not even join the debate. How fookin sad is that?

 

[jeds]

So my conclusion is that God definitely exists, and he created us above all creatures on earth to be unique, and intelligent and to dominate over other species. Halleluiah! God does exist after all against all argument and he created us and the universe.

Do just believe in the existence of your god Mike or do you acknowledge the gods of all religions?

That is a very good question Jeds, in short yes I do, but with some exceptions, for instance, I don't care if you take Hindus for example who are happy worshipping stone idols, or worshipping a cow, rats or anything for that matter, I know many don't and many worship other gods, including the legend Lord Rama and Lord Krishna, the God himself in an incarnation of a man like figure, but do you see Hindus going around hacking people to death because others won't worship their way!

And if God was not happy with their way of worshipping he could have easily destroyed that race 10 thousand years ago when they first started to practice that religion.

That is what Free will is all about in the first place. Use it wisely, without inflicting pain on to others, and treat others as you expect others to treat you.

If God gave man a free will and choice, who then has any right to take this choice away? and the answer is No one has any right, only God himself if he wanted to, If he wanted to, he could have easily wiped away those he did not like praying or worshipping to cows or stone idols, and equally if he wanted he could have obliterated non-believers.

God loves all his creation regardless of any not believing in him, how and what religion or no religion man chooses, He does not prefer one religion over another and, and as he has given everyone a free choice, he accepts those who don't believe in him just as much as those who may worship him 50 times a day.

He strongly condemns taking life of another man, it is the worst sin anyone could ever commit , when one man kills another in his name, there just cannot be anything more evil than this. Man must have been deceived by a Satan, Man was given the intelligence to work out if God really would want a man to kill another in his name, that is not God but a Satan ordering a mischief. It is satan who would be very happy people killing each other in God's name.

God must be so ashamed when one man kills another in his name.

From this you could conclude that any religion that dictates taking life of another man because a man won't follow a particular religion, I have no respect or any regards for an evil doctrine, it simply cannot be the word of God. That is as simple as that.

You cannot force anyone or anything to love you, love is earned through respect and mutual feelings, like my cats, I can't force them to all come and purr away on my lap, they have a free will, ones who wants to jump on my lap and purr happily, earn my affection more, but that does not mean I hate others who are mean! God is no different to feelings and love.

He is merciful and not merciless
He is forgiving and not revengeful
he is the creator and not a destroyer, but he can destroy what he created when he wants.

it is not for a stupid ignorant man to decide who should be killed! a stupid and ignorant man should not pretend to be God's henchman. God himself is well and truly capable of executing death on whomsoever when he wants.

I'm not really sure what your answer is Mike. I think you are saying you do believe in other gods, but only the mainstream ones - not the dodgy ones like the stone idols, cats, dogs, rats etc. But you also say that your god tolerates worship of the other mainstream gods and could destroy the races that worship them if he was not happy with it.

What does that mean exactly Mike; Do you believe those other mainstream gods are real or do you believe they are not real but you are accepting and tolerant of the fact that other people do worship other gods?

 

[wobs]

Not as sad as you. You dare not even join the debate. How fookin sad is that?

More abuse, and no evidence. Again.

And another fallacy. You assume I haven't joined in because of some measure of a lack of courage, when its that I see the futility of debating with someone who refuses to learn, and uses abuse when they have no answer.

 

[joe-90]

Coward.

 

[matt1e]

No idea, and no-one ever will because we cannot move back pre the big bang.

Therefore you have two options:

1) the universe came from nowhere, and has no purpose whatsoever.

2) The universe must have come from somewhere, so probably has a purpose (even if we don't know what that purpose is).

There is no evidence for the first.

The fact we are here is evidence of the second.

Neither are knowable so are both a faith.

I'd tend to agree with the latter as being more plausible.

The fact that we are here equally satisfies both statements or can't you see that?

how about
3) It has always been here and has no purpose

I tend to go for that as more plausible than your offerings.

so do you believe a supernatural being created it then for a purpose?

 

[joe-90]

No-one knows. It must be assumed that whatever caused the universe is all that there is and has always been there.

Let's give it a name shall we?

James? Eric? nah lets's call it God.

 

[Big Tone]

How many more threads on the same theme can I expect ffs?

 

[joe-90]

It's not your fookin forum - clear off if you don't like it.

 

[Big Tone]

It's not your fookin forum - clear off if you don't like it.

That's progress. A logical answer with good advice from you. Now I can die. I wonder where I'll go then...

 

[matt1e]

No-one knows. It must be assumed that whatever caused the universe is all that there is and has always been there.

Let's give it a name shall we?

James? Eric? nah lets's call it God.

or The big bang
or the jolly green giant
no argument whatsoever

Have a good read of your above statement, according to you
something that has always been there is the cause all that there is

why not call it isnotiswasnotisisn'tis?