Old Conservatives don't understand

[gas112]

You mean the homeless and destitute? Disabled people living on meagre allowances? Single parents? The mentally or physically ill? People on minimum wage or zero-hours contracts? People with debt and no savings? Retired people on state pensions? Aged shipbuilders and steelworkers whose skills and experience were no longer needed? Tesco shelf stackers?

No, the "lower end of society" has no chance of getting a mortgage and buying a house.

The giveaways were aimed at the relatively prosperous tenants

And some with prosperous adult offspring who could see how to make a profit from getting their hands on assets sold below their value.

Motorbiking also used the same dishonest trick of pretending that a scheme designed to grow Thatcher's support by giving handouts to a lucky minority, at the expense of local councils, ratepayers and the poor, was a scheme helping those in greatest need. The opposite of the truth.

did you live on a council estate back then/now , then johnd along with 99% of your friends and relatives . No way was it the prosperous buying the houses back then it was just normal people attempting to better themselves and in many cases the mortgages were the same monthly out going or not much more than their rents . As for those aging shipbuilders /steelworkers you speak about many of them used their redundancy to either buy out right or put a substantial deposit down . And they didnt need to go to standard mortgage providers as they were more or less g`teed one from the council
So unless you actually lived it stop guessing

 

[JonathanM]

No way was it the prosperous buying the houses back then it was just normal people attempting to better themselves

It's all relative. And there is no denying that a cohort of lucky people received a tax payer funded discount which would be worth a minimum of £50,000 today. Andrew Neil, who came up with the idea, admits that it was purely political. He says he had to explain to Mrs T, who initially didn't understand and wasn't interested, how it would gain the Tories the support of a particular demographic who previously had overwhelmingly voted Labour.

 

[gas112]

It's all relative. And there is no denying that a cohort of lucky people received a tax payer funded discount which would be worth a minimum of £50,000 today. Andrew Neil, who came up with the idea, admits that it was purely political. He says he had to explain to Mrs T, who initially didn't understand and wasn't interested, how it would gain the Tories the support of a particular demographic who previously had overwhelmingly voted Labour.

of course it was political when do politicians ever do anything other than try to gain votes . It also stopped people going on strike at a drop of a hat which had been the case before and just after thatcher got in .
And as you say it was probably mainly labour voters that took advantage of it

 

[Deleted member 221031]

mainly labour voters that took advantage of it

But still Labour supporters moan! It’s like they want to argue about everything

 

[JonathanM]

And as you say it was probably mainly labour voters that took advantage of it

As far as I can recall, Andrew Neil said Mrs Thatcher's initial response was "Why would I do that. These aren't our people"

 

[Deleted member 221031]

As far as I can recall, Andrew Neil said Mrs Thatcher's initial response was "Why would I do that. These aren't our people"

Not yet….

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Now what is it with the few in here who claim to be labour supporters in favour of the lower end of society that think it was so bad to sell houses and give the lower end of society renting them out a step up .
Would you rather they were kept down trodden than allowed to do a wee step in on society and become property owners ?

Got that wrong haven't you.

Straight from the Tory propoganda files

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Not yet….

Correct.

She bought their votes.

 

[JonathanM]

Straight from the Tory propoganda files

What's wrong with hard working people keeping more of their own money

et al

 

[carmanmemoranda]

of course it was political when do politicians ever do anything other than try to gain votes . It also stopped people going on strike at a drop of a hat which had been the case before and just after thatcher got in .
And as you say it was probably mainly labour voters that took advantage of it

Who then became Tory

 

[denso13]

Now what is it with the few in here who claim to be labour supporters in favour of the lower end of society that think it was so bad to sell houses and give the lower end of society renting them out a step up .
Would you rather they were kept down trodden than allowed to do a wee step in on society and become property owners ?

I'd rather the give away properties were replaced 1 for 1, that is the problem. 2 million fewer houses for social rent is a disaster.

There are also reports of RTB properties being rented back to Councils. That isn't downtrodden people just becoming property owners, it is people making a fast buck on the back of everyone else.

 

[gas112]

I'd rather the give away properties were replaced 1 for 1, that is the problem. 2 million fewer houses for social rent is a disaster.

There are also reports of RTB properties being rented back to Councils. That isn't downtrodden people just becoming property owners, it is people making a fast buck on the back of everyone else.

your talking in the main about RTB homes that have been sold off years down the line possibly several times as people have moved on

 

[Odds]

Who then became Tory

I wouldn't like to guesstimate a number but i'd say more old Labour voters have become 'Reformists'.
They like a pint.

 

[gas112]

Who then became Tory

really what you think labour voters are that easily bought . 50% of council housing stock sold in my town and it returned a labour council ever since the late 70`s

 

[denso13]

your talking in the main about RTB homes that have been sold off years down the line possibly several times as people have moved on

So what. Kind of ironic that Councils are forced to sell properties at up to 70% off and end up renting them back at full price because they have a housing shortage. Madness...