Outdoor Socket from Fused Washing Maching Spur?

[HenryGregory]

Looking for some advice please.

I am looking to get an outside socket at the front of my house.
The options are...

1. Run from washing machine single socket behind wall.
2. Run directly from electric meter box which is in the exact area I need the outside socket.

Option 2 could be quite costly, but I am not sure if you can run off a single socket?
In the kitchen, I can see there is a fused spur with the label "Washing Machine" on the plastic. It goes to this socket:

Is this something you are allowed to run an outside socket from?
The kitchen has it's own fuse in the fuse box "kitchen sockets" 32amp so this plug will come from that.
There is another fuse just for the cooker/hob 32 amp.


Thanks in advance.

 

[blup]

Dont see why not, the fuse will protect the existing and the outdoor socket, assuming the wm is on the ring or radial

 

[opps]

Does your consumer unit have an RCD?

 

[HenryGregory]

Dont see why not, the fuse will protect the existing and the outdoor socket, assuming the wm is on the ring or radial

Thank you for the fast reply and clarification.

Does your consumer unit have an RCD?

Yes it does, image from when electrician was last working on it:

 

[opps]

Dont see why not, the fuse will protect the existing and the outdoor socket, assuming the wm is on the ring or radial

If it is a spur, surely the MCB will will not protect the additional spur running outside? The OP will potentially have a single 2.5mm feeding the single socket and then the exterior socket?

I guess the OP needs to remove the faceplate and see if it is a spur or part of the ring.

Edit... I guess that if it is a spur, the OP could fit a 13amp fused connection unit up stream, and it may be the case that he has one above the worktop.

 

[HenryGregory]

If it is a spur, surely the MCB will will not protect the additional spur running outside? The OP will potentially have a single 2.5mm feeding the single socket and then the exterior socket?

I guess the OP needs to remove the faceplate and see if it is a spur or part of the ring.

Edit... I guess that if it is a spur, the OP could fit a 13amp fused connection unit up stream, and it may be the case that he has one above the worktop.

Strangely, there is no fused connection above the worktop just this fused spur, there are no other plug sockets in the area.
I did take the fused spur cover off last year and it was stuffed with cable, was very hard to put back again. I had been thinking about swapping it for a single plug socket which would be handy for plugging in a mixer or toaster, but there wasn't enough space in the backbox for a 3 pin plug and the cables to all fit.

 

[opps]

Strangely, there is no fused connection above the worktop just this fused spur, there are no other plug sockets in the area.
I did take the fused spur cover off last year and it was stuffed with cable, was very hard to put back again. I had been thinking about swapping it for a single plug socket which would be handy for plugging in a mixer or toaster, but there wasn't enough space in the backbox for a 3 pin plug and the cables to all fit.

If it is supplied by a fused connection unit elsewhere then I don't see a problem with using the existing single gang socket to run a supply outside. The cable is protected by a fuse. Presumably, it will be a 13amp fuse. The downside is that if you are using the washing machine and another product in the garden at the same time, you will risk blowing the fuse in the fused connection unit. The wiring however will be protected.

 

[HenryGregory]

If it is supplied by a fused connection unit elsewhere then I don't see a problem with using the existing single gang socket to run a supply outside. The cable is protected by a fuse. Presumably, it will be a 13amp fuse. The downside is that if you are using the washing machine and another product in the garden at the same time, you will risk blowing the fuse in the fused connection unit. The wiring however will be protected.

Thank you. The outside unit would power my doorbell (as sadly no wiring near the doorbell so easier to put a transformer outside and run low voltage cable up the door frame). And during the festive season, three sets of LED lights (100 leds, 100 leds and a small 60cm inflatable santa so nothing too demanding.

 

[blup]

If it is a spur, surely the MCB will will not protect the additional spur running outside? The OP will potentially have a single 2.5mm feeding the single socket and then the exterior socket?

I guess the OP needs to remove the faceplate and see if it is a spur or part of the ring.

Edit... I guess that if it is a spur, the OP could fit a 13amp fused connection unit up stream, and it may be the case that he has one above the worktop.

The OP referred to a fused spur, it was that which would protect the ring/radial from over current as I understand it

 

[opps]

The OP referred to a fused spur, it was that which would protect the ring/radial from over current as I understand it

Agreed, I initially missed that part when reading the original post. Tnx

 

[HenryGregory]

Agreed, I initially missed that part when reading the original post. Tnx

Thanks guys for clarifying for me. It is strange they didn’t include a single socket where the fused spur is as it means that entire side of the kitchen has no 3 pin sockets at all.

 

[Sureitsoff?]

Thanks guys for clarifying for me. It is strange they didn’t include a single socket where the fused spur is as it means that entire side of the kitchen has no 3 pin sockets at all.

You could add inside sockets from the fused spur as well although you would be limited as to what you could power from it.

 

[SUNRAY]

You could add inside sockets from the fused spur as well although you would be limited as to what you could power from it.

But if the FCU is on a 32A ring/radial, I see three 32A MCB's with 2 or 3 wires looking like 2.5mm² so my initial guess is very likely to be ring final, then more sockets could be added into the 32A ring, prior to the FCU.

 

[Taylortwocities]

In the kitchen, I can see there is a fused spur with the label "Washing Machine" on the plastic.

Lets see a picture of that item.

 

[HenryGregory]

Lets see a picture of that item.

Been meaning to take a photo. Will do when I am next there.