Oversized rads a good idea?

[JonasX]

No that's not the point, your definition was incorrect.

Are you a termal store salesman,or just have some sort of fetish towards them.

It is clear I understand them more than the average. If other knew half of what I know they would be installing them all over - not the poorly designed and installed sludge generators.

 

[wiffola]

Or an "accumulator" as the big akvatherms are known.
A fan assisted unit is an option and a lot cheaper than gasifiers. And you don't necesarilly need the large resovoir of energy storage.

Does anyone have experiences of heating a 3 bed house (or similar) with an air to air system? I'm assuming I would need a split system and would have to address DHW separately.

Also has anyone had any experiences of a gasification/biomass boiler?

Eg hassle, running costs, savings...

 

[gaswizzard]

It is clear I understand them more than the average. .

......please..

Buffer tank is similar to a thermal store? ..you STILL haven't explained the term 'hydraulic seperation' & no it is not a coil/plate within a TS.

Not all on here want to get into a disscusion with you regarding thermal stores , some are being polite so as not to make you look a fool , although you are doing pretty well yourself.

 

[JonasX]

Buffer tank is similar to a thermal store?

A thermal store is a buffer - get it? You thought all thermals stores generated sludge? Wow!

 

[Biggles..]

A ts can be used as a buffer so could lots of other things.
Your getting slightly boring ruining everythread with your fascination of stores.if you were impartial you'd appreciate there are certain places where a ts isn't the beat option but you don't you just constantly bang on about them.

Help the op and answer his questions without ruining every thread.

To actually answer the question,I've specified and installed numerous air to water only systems in properties your size to meet code 4 of the sustainable homes scheme which tend to mean no gas/LPG.
We've tried ecodan,altherma,some nebe units,and santo co2 Eco.
Of all of them the sanyo's performed the best,when paired with there acv cylinder theiyre a dream but not cheap.

If you've got PV,selling it back is the best option rather than self use,no point in going into that any further.

Biomas is the way forward,we do at least 1type of log,peat,pellet,batch,straw,coal a fortnight from domestic units to commercial plant.
Have fitted various with no problems,wouldn't look at stoves etc unless combining them with another source due to the heat output in the room they're in tending to be uncomfortable(for me anyway),these can be linked not just trough a thermal store but various other ways.
Pellet and gasification are brill if you have an outhouse etc to install them
In,very hands on.
Depending on availability of other sources their are things such as rape seed burners and waste oil,again hands on but awesome in cost saving.

Please don't even think about a danfos GSHP as that was the worst unit we've installed.

 

[Norcon]

Or an "accumulator" as the big akvatherms are known.
A fan assisted unit is an option and a lot cheaper than gasifiers. And you don't necesarilly need the large resovoir of energy storage.

Does anyone have experiences of heating a 3 bed house (or similar) with an air to air system? I'm assuming I would need a split system and would have to address DHW separately.

Also has anyone had any experiences of a gasification/biomass boiler?

Eg hassle, running costs, savings...

I fitted this in a relatives house about 14 months ago.
http://kotly.com/popup_image.php?pID=1618

It was £1700 for the unit from a local supplier. I see Kotly have it advertised @ £869 on their website.
Its twinned with an oil boiler using nrv's and a few other gubbins though its never used now.
Its burning wood mostly and household garbage.
Ai-air heat pumps? Have fitted a few thousand but commercial mainly.
Banks, office blocks, supermarkets etc.
Did do the odd one in large new build properties where wealthy guys wanted air conditioning in their home offices.

 

[JonasX]

A ts can be used as a buffer so could lots of other things.
Your getting slightly boring ruining everythread with your fascination of stores.if you were impartial you'd appreciate there are certain places where a ts isn't the beat option but you don't you just constantly bang on about them.

I rejected a thermal store for my UFH as a Geminox boiler can modulate down to less than 1 kW.

Air to air? Forced air needs high temps. ASHPs can't do that too well. Hence why they are paired with wet low temp UFH.

Biomas is the way forward,

If you have space and the time and effort to attend to it.

 

[Biggles..]

Your obviously googling the wrong stuff, ASHP can work very comfortably with radiators without needing to oversize. Some even get 70 deg flow without aux elec heating.

 

[JonasX]

Your obviously googling the wrong stuff, ASHP can work very comfortably with radiators without needing to oversize. Some even get 70 deg flow without aux elec heating.

They do get to 70C on a good day. But unfortunately that is not the norm or the average temp they raise.

They are only good for UFH. Forced air? Forget it. Try Googling.

 

[Biggles..]

Really, I fit them... Why google, I can walk into houses and prove what they do.
Got units with 65-75deg flow last winter with no elec heater and not defrosting at -15.

Can you walk into anywhere where you've fitted one..... Thought not, you just a google wanabe heating engineer.

 

[JonasX]

Really, I fit them... Why google, I can walk into houses and prove what they do.
Got units with 65-75deg flow last winter with no elec heater and not defrosting at -15.

Can you walk into anywhere where you've fitted one..... Thought not, you just a google wanabe heating engineer.

65-75 all the time? Are you telling the odd porkie? What models do that? All those I have seen do not. Many are just plain abysmal; and eat electricity. I saw one with the building vent outlet blow across it, so 21C temps to asist in extracting heat which did make a difference.

If they are good as you say we would all be using them and developers fitting them in as standard in new houses - developers would save lots of money in running in new gas mains to groups or estates of houses. But the take up is horrendously small.

HMG was trying to push them a few years back when it looked like we were all going electric in the mid to long term. Many were burnt in buying them. But last month they found the shale gas field under Blackpool can supply 64 years worth of gas for the UK. And that is only one field. So gas will still be king. They say it will be on-line 2013. So no more volatile gas price hypes.

 

[JonasX]

Can you walk into anywhere where you've fitted one..... Thought not, you just a google wanabe heating engineer.

That is amazing statement, from someone who castigated the Intergas boiler not ever fitting or fixing one.

 

[Corgigrouch]

So Dr Drivel.... How many have you fitted and what models?

 

[DeltaT2]

No it's not,it's refered to a either a buffer vessel or load levelling store or an obscure term would be pressure break bottler,thermal stores tend to produce DHW(can't think of any that don't) where as the other 2 don't.

The point is....
In a domestic setup, you may as well take the DHW off it as well.

Let's face it Anus, you're talking sh.te all the time! You're a Sludge Bucket Salesman and no one is buying your sales drivel.

 

[Biggles..]

Didn't need to fit one, I spent a day there looking, touching, listening to what they said, and from that day I made a decision based on the components, build quality and companys efforts that the boiler isn't for my company and that in fairness it is made from cheap components and poor quality with no company backup...the only good thin is the engineering to manufacture a nice heat exchanger that unfortunately will suffer fro scale and give a hot slug as all the makers of them have discovered over the years.

You've only googled the intergas and think its ace,been here many times,google gods believing the sales crap,just look at how poor the avanta is, you google wonders raved about that heap of junk.

Stick to what you love,keeping googling thermal store and we'll do the rest.

Sorry to the OP that the muppet has dragged crap into your thread trying to push the benefits of an unwanted and unrequited thermal store.