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Handkerchief dipped in urine face mask is very effective at warding people off.
Panic and scare mongering
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First off, loads of misinformation in this thread. So here are some facts derived from research on COVID 19 and other similar viruses.
Anti-bac wipes contain a powerful disinfectant, similar to Dettol.
Plenty of studies have been done on similar viruses, how long they remain on different surfaces and what chemicals will clean that surface after a period of time.
Bottom line, this virus will stay on a surface for several days, but wiping, cleaning with 70% alcohol, .1% bleach solution or other disinfectants, will clean the surface after 1 minute. Alcohol and diluted bleach being the most efficient.
This virus is asymptomatic. This means that you will not show symptoms for several days, but will be shedding the virus during that time.
The doubling time for this infection is around 2.5 days. Virus transmission is primarily surfaces and airborne droplets.
The R0 value for this virus has shown to be much higher than other similar viruses. R0 here is between 4-7. This means that one person can infect between 4 and 7 other people.
It is quite possible that 50% of UK population will be infected. Between 1-2% will be fatalities. Around 12% could require hospitalisation. If you are over 60 you are in the more vulnerable group, if you have existing morbidities, like smoking, ex smoking, diabetes, heart disease, then you will be at greater risk with this virus.
This is not scaremongering, this is basic facts and researched data. Take it as you wish. If you feel to prepare, then do that.
The ONLY way to stop this virus is by much reduced human contact, a high level of hand hygiene and to avoid touching the face if you haven't washed your hands thoroughly.
Anti-bac wipes contain a powerful disinfectant, similar to Dettol.
Plenty of studies have been done on similar viruses, how long they remain on different surfaces and what chemicals will clean that surface after a period of time.
Bottom line, this virus will stay on a surface for several days, but wiping, cleaning with 70% alcohol, .1% bleach solution or other disinfectants, will clean the surface after 1 minute. Alcohol and diluted bleach being the most efficient.
This virus is asymptomatic. This means that you will not show symptoms for several days, but will be shedding the virus during that time.
The doubling time for this infection is around 2.5 days. Virus transmission is primarily surfaces and airborne droplets.
The R0 value for this virus has shown to be much higher than other similar viruses. R0 here is between 4-7. This means that one person can infect between 4 and 7 other people.
It is quite possible that 50% of UK population will be infected. Between 1-2% will be fatalities. Around 12% could require hospitalisation. If you are over 60 you are in the more vulnerable group, if you have existing morbidities, like smoking, ex smoking, diabetes, heart disease, then you will be at greater risk with this virus.
This is not scaremongering, this is basic facts and researched data. Take it as you wish. If you feel to prepare, then do that.
The ONLY way to stop this virus is by much reduced human contact, a high level of hand hygiene and to avoid touching the face if you haven't washed your hands thoroughly.
Don't worry.
Although not exactly a cure, a solution has been found.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51736755
Although not exactly a cure, a solution has been found.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51736755
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My wife was saying the other night that she found a bottle of Dettol at the back of the cupboard that was at least a couple of years old and it says on the bottle that it’s effective against Corvid 19 so why all the fuss about this 'new' virus?
Because it's about ten times more lethal than the normal Flu strains that do the rounds.
Because there's no vaccine for it then it'll hit a lot more people than a normal flu season and NHS workers will be at significant risk of infection, taking them out of circulation for treating people.
Because there isn't really capacity in the NHS for that many serious cases to be treated at once.
it struggles to cope as with day to day stuff
You can say that about a lot of western health care systems. I thought Japan had a really good system, but they were struggling to make enough tests for the virus.
The Gov here should be making the moves right now to make as much space in hospitals available for isolation wards.
Maybe they are, but I don't see any transparency in Gov statements.
We are not kiddies in this, tell the public straight up what exactly is being done.
I want to see lists like, ordering copious amounts of oxygen, placing lease orders on new ICU kit, creating whole sections of hospitals into negative pressure areas. This is real and effective prevention.
Just here in Weymouth we have a small community hospital that could be re-engineered into an iso hospital. Weymouth has a lot of older folk who will be hit a lot harder. The big hospital in Dorchester will be swamped.
Any system will be designed to cope with what normally happens, and what is foreseen.
There were no tests available for this new virus before it arose. Now we want millions of them.
This is not evidence that the Japanese system is poor.
I should have omitted the word 'thought' and said that Japan has an excellent health care system.
No it isn't. It may alleviate the symptoms in some patients.
Since there is no cure for this disease, and no vaccine, all the hospitals can do is take people off the streets until they die or get better.
In China people have to be forcibly dragged screaming from their homes to be incarcarated in the new "hospitals."
In the UK we might leave them in their homes with a good supply of painkillers and sedatives, and collect the bodies later if necessary. It may be more humane and more economical, especially for the 98% or so that will recover.
There is no prospect whatsoever that this country can build and staff enough ITUs for an excess many thousands of patients. We chose to elect a government that dislikes public services and public spending, and has starved the NHS of resource.
IANAD, but I believe the fatal aspect is primarily pneumonia, which can be treated. So whilst some people get sick and die, fewer will do so with medical help. Having said I also believe that one of the expected problems is people with mild cases swamping the medical system and distracting from the serious cases that do need help.
Yes pneumonia is the prime cause of death with this virus.
Another wrong word again, when I wrote 'prevention' I was unsure that was the correct term. But oxygen, ICU's etc are a way to prevent more deaths than would happen without. COVID19 case histories have shown that given oxygen via the nose, patients can improve, since the immune system is given a better chance and more time to eliminate the virus. It's not a cure, it's a way to give the body more time.
I do not believe that the NHS could not build up extra ICU capacity. It's all a matter of will by the Gov.
It would bring down the CFR in elderly people, if the Gov simply set up a food/medicine delivery system for those over 65 or those unable to work. Then those older folk would simply stay at home. Virus transmission broken.
There are ways to break the transmission below 1, it takes creativity, collaboration and a strong hand by the Gov.
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Some chief doc explained it on the radio this morning - he talked about how ebola caused many knock on problems - more people started dying of malaria in areas hit with ebola, as hospitals could not cope with them. The main threat to the UK is similar - if there is a big increase in people going to hospital with covid19 it will have an impact on all other areas - ambulance times with more people dying from heart attacks, strokes, car crashes etc. and more people dying from flu and pneumonia as they cannot get the treatment needed. Child birth and cancer is protected, but most other things will suffer.
I’ve just got home from a quick trip to Westfield Stratford. Two trains there, two trains back. My wife told me to be careful what I touch and not to touch my face. It’s impossible! Kept touching stair rails, escalator rails, train grabs and shop door handles. Of course, I touched my face/scratched my nose/rubbed my eye etc. It’s like trying to eat a sugared jam doughnut without licking your lips. I got home and washed my hands straight away - I felt dirty!
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