Panorama - The Smart Meter mess

[Nwgs2]

The truth is, engineers don't need to gain access at all

For a SM the above is true.

No warrant for entry needed on a SM boyo.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Not needed on my old property or on some periods of house building where the meters will be in a cabinet usually inset in the external wall of the house. That change probably came about so that they don't need to gain access.

My meters are the same - one, next to the other, both in the house wall recessed cabinets, alongside the drive. Personally, assuming my meters were indoors - if I got in a mess with my energy bills, I would rather they were able to remotely switch supplies off, than have them bust the door down, to cut supplies of. Also much quicker to restore them, once the issue is sorted.

 

[martygturner]

I take it all the I don't want a smart meter because they can't be shut off remotely and don't need a warrant lot are just fiddling the leccy and gas so the rest of us pay more.

 

[denso13]

One wonders whether they will find it easier to remotely turn off smart meters or parachute in Russian gas engineers to break into houses and turn off the analogue ones?

Better idea with the quote further down.

"With a cyber attack, Russia can turn the lights off for millions of people. It can shut down the power grids,"

They are called "dumb" meters for a reason.

 

[ellal]

The truth is, engineers don't need to gain access at all, if they wanted to cut off the supply to a property. And even when they do, obtaining warrants seems to be a simple process. Courts readily hand them out. No dramas.

You've really lost the plot...

'The truth is, engineers don't need to gain access at all, if they wanted to cut off the supply to a property'...

Followed by, 'And even when they do'?

That means you acknowledge that the different types of meters need a different disconnection method...

You could have saved yourself an awful lot of effort/stress at the start of this topic by simply acknowledging the truth of the matter...

Although it has been a bit of fun watching you tie yourself up in knots

 

[Nwgs2]

I take it all the I don't want a smart meter because they can't be shut off remotely and don't need a warrant lot are just fiddling the leccy and gas so the rest of us pay more.

You take it how you want champ.

 

[noseall]

No doubt nosenothing will claim it's the same process

Disconnections are rare.

The disconnection process is distinct.

The processes leading up to disconnection are the same for both meters.

You are no more likely to be disconnected or switched with either meter.

Facts, boyo, facts.

 

[Nwgs2]

You've really lost the plot...

'The truth is, engineers don't need to gain access at all, if they wanted to cut off the supply to a property'...

Followed by, 'And even when they do'?

That means you acknowledge that the different types of meters need a different disconnection method...

You could have saved yourself an awful lot of effort/stress at the start of this topic by simply acknowledging the truth of the matter...

Although it has been a bit of fun watching you tie yourself up in knots

He’s been a joy in this thread.

Pmsl a few times at he’s back tracking and slippery replies.

Well done Boyo, we go there in the end.

 

[denso13]

'The truth is, engineers don't need to gain access at all, if they wanted to cut off the supply to a property'...

Correct. If the courts didn't give out permission like sweets they still don't need access.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I take it all the I don't want a smart meter because they can't be shut off remotely and don't need a warrant lot are just fiddling the leccy and gas so the rest of us pay more.

That would seem to be a fair assumption to make, because none of them have fielded any other valid reasons, that stand up to serious scrutiny.

 

[ellal]

Better idea with the quote further down.

"With a cyber attack, Russia can turn the lights off for millions of people. It can shut down the power grids,"

That is another risk of course...

But better for them to hack into the smart meter control system which would require far more resources to restore supply.

 

[noseall]

You've really lost the plot...

Nonsense.

'The truth is, engineers don't need to gain access at all, if they wanted to cut off the supply to a property'...

Correct.

That means you acknowledge that the different types of meters need a different disconnection method...

Correct. I have never stated anything different.

You could have saved yourself an awful lot of effort/stress at the start of this topic by simply acknowledging the truth of the matter...

The truth....

Disconnection is rare.

The processes leading up to disconnection are the same for both meters.

You are no more likely to be disconnected or switched with either meter.

 

[ellal]

Correct. If the courts didn't give out permission like sweets they still don't need access.

Ah, so selective quoting in an attempt to defend the indefensible...

You and nosenothing have lost the argument as you fully know!

 

[denso13]

But better for them to hack into the smart meter control system which would require far more resources to restore supply.

Nah, better to hack the grid and knock out everyone don't you think. Unless Pootin has an aversion to smart meters as well of course...

 

[noseall]

Ah, so selective quoting in an attempt to defend the indefensible...

Nonsense.

I have spoken honestly. I have made no spurious claims.

Dispute these facts if you dare....

The processes leading up to being cut off are the same for both meters.

You are no more likely to be switched or cut off with either meter.


....he wont, he can't.