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[Brigadier]

that's an interesting point. If I murdered someone yesterday, and you murder someone today, am I morally superior to you?

Strawman - you keep bringing up Christianity's (centuries' old) past, like it is some sort of counter for current atrocities in the name of Islam.

 

[Brigadier]

I thought that McGuinness was driven on his particular path by the desire for independence for Ireland, not a religious crusade.

Yes, but he is of the same religion as my 'little old lady' example.

Yes, but he didn't (to my knowledge) claim (their shared) religion as his motivation. You might as well attribute some meaning to the fact that they are both human beings, or both have two legs. True (probably) in both instances, but irrelevant to the topic.

 

[EFLImpudence]

I thought that McGuinness was driven on his particular path by the desire for independence for Ireland, not a religious crusade.

Yes, but he is of the same religion as my 'little old lady' example.

Yes, but he didn't (to my knowledge) claim (their shared) religion as his motivation. You might as well attribute some meaning to the fact that they are both human beings, or both have two legs. True (probably) in both instances, but irrelevant to the topic.

That may be true but my point was about tainting everyone of the same religion because some are murdering savages.

That would be the same as accusing all people with two legs of having the same principles as Attila.

 

[RNReindeer]

I thought that McGuinness was driven on his particular path by the desire for independence for Ireland, not a religious crusade.

But religion was/is a useful banner under which you can unite your supporters.
Thus religion becomes a pretence (edit: or even a pretext) for a violent crusade and a target for a violent reaction.

If you want to twist it that way........

The IRA's purpose was independence for Ireland, not converting the Prods to RC.

Quite nearly so. They didn't want to convert the protestants, they wanted to dominate them within a free Ireland.

But the banner under which the "troops" congregated became catholicism or protestantism.
Similarly the conflict in Palestine, it's between muslims and Israelis, but it's not about religion. That's just the banner that unites each side.
Just like all and any previous religious crusades of the past and the present.

Let's not forget that Islam versus christainity is not the only conflict going on in the world. There's conflict over territory in Ukraine, conflict over political control in Myanmar (Burma) where the Budhists are trying to exterminate the muslims. Similar conflict in Laos and Thailand. The conflict in Sri Lanka was over political control but each side was united by religious divide.

Perhaps even Jesus could have been described as a radical.

Probably, sometime in the future the jedi will be fighting to dominate another world.

And so history repeats itself, but we don't need to help it by preaching radicalism.

Perhaps JohnD's comparison was more appropriate and relevant than at first glance.

that's an interesting point. If I murdered someone yesterday, and you murder someone today, am I morally superior to you, , if I fail to learn the lessons of history? (My insertion)

 

[Norcon]

"but we don't need to help it by preaching radicalism"

Then I suggest you stop.

 

[JBR]

Christians move with the times and live in the 20th Century.

Hmmm , and there I thought we were living in the 21st century.

Well, they're almost there.

When they do move into the 21st Century, they'll be fully paid-up atheists!

 

[Whitespirit66]

How would you tackle the problem? Effectively?

To paraphrase a well known mobile phone service provider,

"Be More France."

I like France and even have a sneaking admiration for the bolshy way that the French put their own interests first. Something we should definitely emulate.

However, their leaders and the EU leaders have sold them down the river and effectively rushed headlong into the destruction of the French nation, it's people, freedoms and everything else it had and held dear.

Our ROP percentage of population is 5%, which is scary enough. The French have let theirs get to 10%, and the murder and mayhem is well under way. There seems to be a critical level around the 5 to 10% lever' where the ROP starts to find it's feet and start flexing it's muscles in frightening ways.

As the percentage in France rises, as it undoubtably will, then the situation will worsen. Not sure FRance is a good example to follow.

 

[Whitespirit66]

that's an interesting point. If I murdered someone yesterday,

John, in that case, I would assume that you had just joined up and been radicalised.

 

[JBR]

Are you thus stating that 1.3 billion people on this planet are hell bent on the destruction of all other humans? If so, then what is the solution?

No, they're not hell-bent on the destruction of all other humans...

...just so long as they convert to islam.

 

[Whitespirit66]

Still waiting for a sensible answer to my question about what good the ROP does in the world - or our country for that. Want to hear some examples of where they give, rather than take, take, take.

Gone mighty quiet.

 

[Micilin]

Being executed for having a 'sharp tongue' is a pretty good reason to keep yours blunt.

Really? How defeatist.
Where are you from EFL? You must be an immigrant to have such a defeatist attitude.

When a gang of ira men arrived at my Grandads home to murder him his sword was sharpened and he cut lumps out of them.
That's how its done when you care about your country.

At least tell the same story as the last time you mentioned this!

 

[Norcon]

Some of islam's latest contributions to Peace.........


2015.01.23 (Kambari, Nigeria) - Fifteen villagers are slaughtered by Boko Haram.
2015.01.23 (Mosul, Iraq) - Four university professors are executed by the Islamic State.
2015.01.23 (Zamboanga, Philippines) - An Abu Sayyaf car bombing outside a bar leaves two dead and four dozen injured.
2015.01.22 (Mogadishu, Somali) - Five people are blown to bits by a Shahid suicide bomber at a hotel.
2015.01.22 (Taji, Iraq) - Eight Iraqis are liquidated by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2015.01.21 (Homs, Syria) - Terrorists set off a car bomb in a shopping district, killing seven patrons.

 

[Norcon]

Being executed for having a 'sharp tongue' is a pretty good reason to keep yours blunt.

Really? How defeatist.
Where are you from EFL? You must be an immigrant to have such a defeatist attitude.

When a gang of ira men arrived at my Grandads home to murder him his sword was sharpened and he cut lumps out of them.
That's how its done when you care about your country.

At least tell the same story as the last time you mentioned this!

Tis the same.
Now go trawling.

 

[Deleted member 63160]

Still waiting for a sensible answer to my question about what good the ROP does in the world - or our country for that. Want to hear some examples of where they give, rather than take, take, take.

Gone mighty quiet.

You've only got to look around the world to see all the happy muslim countries. So full of human rights and human kindness.

 

[JBR]

Will the mods cave in when Rudolf complains?

Undoubtedly. When he eventually runs out of silly ideas to justify his support of the ROP, he'll have the thread deleted and, of course, the mods will do as they are told.

Edit: When he finally accepts that he cannot answer WS's question:

"What good does the ROP do in the world - or our country for that? Want to hear some examples of where they give, rather than take, take, take."

he'll have the thread deleted in the hope that we'll all forget about it!