Part P for England and Wales - what about DIY in Scotland ?

[jimbojones]

BAN, i think the labc can request an inspection and test from one of their recommended contractors. Might be wrong though

 

[ban-all-sheds]

At their expense?

 

[baldelectrician]

If you have had work done you may be asked to provide paperwork to from a registered electrical contractor

But if there's no legal requirement to have had the work done by a registered electrician, what happens if you say "I don't have any paperwork"?

You then have to pay for an inspection report at your expense to be included with the home report.

It will apparently go along the lines of...
New kitchen ?
Yes
Do you have a cert for the gas hob and the electrics?
No
We will have to get an external report then ...

 

[The_Scotty]

I guess then that an inspection report will only be a report on the condition/working order of the gas appliances or the electrics on that particular day and the tester won't be held liable given they are testing someone else's work.

I can see it going one of two ways. A nightmare to implement with no one wanting to test others work thus maybe taking them away from their own work or Testers making relatively easy money given the amount of tests that will be required to be carried out.

 

[The_Scotty]

Also on the example of an electrical certificate for a newly installed kitchen how could they reasonably ask for this given there was no legislation in place beforehand that stipulated this was necessary.

 

[baldelectrician]

Also on the example of an electrical certificate for a newly installed kitchen how could they reasonably ask for this given there was no legislation in place beforehand that stipulated this was necessary.

To have work caried out to BS7671 a cert should have been issued.
Most electrical work is carried out by the companies fitting the kitchen, so they should provide a cert.

The checks required if no paperwork will be along the lines of a PIR, with exclusions etc.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

To have work caried out to BS7671 a cert should have been issued.

But there is no compulsion to work to BS7671...

 

[stargazer]

To have work caried out to BS7671 a cert should have been issued.

But there is no compulsion to work to BS7671...

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/library2/br/brn-04.asp

 

[ban-all-sheds]

That says that IF you work to BS7671 then you WILL COMPLY with....

Which does NOT also mean that if you do NOT work to BS7671 you WILL NOT COMPLY with....

 

[stargazer]

In both England and Scotland adherence to BS7671 is cited as a method of achieving compliance with the Building Regulations. This is very compelling, and compelling is the adjective of compulsion.

However before you get your super-sized flame-thrower out, I will concede your point that there is no direct legal requirement to work to BS7671, although there is a strong presumption in favour of it.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Indeed there is, and you'd need to have a pretty good reason to work to some other standard, or to deviate from BS7671 in any significant way.

But if there is no law which says "You must work to BS7671" then there can't be another law which says "If you don't have a BS7671 certificate for the work done then you must get one".

However I may be going down an irrelevant route - I was mixing up 2 issues:

1) Jimbo saying that LABC can request an inspection & test (which is where I wonder if/how they can)

2) The contents of the HIP, or whatever it's called in Scotland, where you could quite easily be asked to provide a PIR for the electrics, just like you're asked to provide a surveyor's report. There's no requirement for you to have your building surveyed until you come to sell it. There's no requirement to have your electrics certified, until you come to sell.

[edited to correct spelling mistake]

 

[jimbojones]

1) Jimbo saying that LABC can request an inspection & test (which is where I wonder if/how they can)

Now please take this with a pinch of salt, but......... LABC in Scotland are to my experiance much more leniant if you will on the insistance of a building permit in the first instance but if you then require something to be certified you will pay for it through one of their approved contractors.

Again i stand to be corrected.

 

[roberta1000]

Just noticed this one. I work in Fife and surrounds. Never had to issue certification of any sort for the likes of rewires, CUs, kitchens, bathrooms, extensions etc. Interestingly Architect's plans for building works and extensions now usually show smoke detector wiring upgrades in the main building but I have NEVER seen building control inspect electrics or require documentation (or even be interested in the slightest).

 

[The_Scotty]

Just noticed this one. I work in Fife and surrounds. Never had to issue certification of any sort for the likes of rewires, CUs, kitchens, bathrooms, extensions etc. Interestingly Architect's plans for building works and extensions now usually show smoke detector wiring upgrades in the main building but I have NEVER seen building control inspect electrics or require documentation (or even be interested in the slightest).

Is it only Fife Council or does your work cross into other counties?

For the past two years or so we have had to submit an electrical certificate with every application for completion

 

[Softus]

For the past two years or so we have had to submit an electrical certificate with every application for completion

Again - which regulation, or law, stipulates that you "have to" do this?