Personally competent?

[martinxxxxxx]

"I would feel that I can express my own feelings about a matter without help." - What did you mean by this?

I mean you are expressing your opinion in the guise of what you believe he feels. Why not just say "this is my opinion and it has nothing to do with the OP"

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Either that or DIY and don't notify it (make sure you test the whole thing though). But you won't get much support for doing that on here.

Which is something I find distinctly odd.

And untrue - the lack of support, that is. We see people discouraged for reasons of incompetence, but not because they are not going to notify.

Have so many people been so brainwashed into the "tax & regulate everything" approach of socialistic government that they don't see anything wrong with these extortionate fees and overbearing regulations?

FGS p**s off with your sub-Daily Mail claptrap.

The statute of limitations on building regs. enforcement is quite short. Once it expires, it doesn't matter if one of the tinpot little dictators at LABC finds out about it or not.

It's quite short for some contraventions. For others it is open-ended - the clock does not start ticking until the contravention is discovered.

So unless you're planning on selling up in less than a year or two, it's not going to matter.

It could matter from the POV of the sale, not legal action. Buyers might be put off when they find out that notifiable work was done but not notified and that there is no proof that it complied with the building regulations. And it had had better be "when" and not "if" - lying when the buyer's solicitors ask the question takes you into fraud.

It may only cost a PIR, but in a buyers market they might use it as an excuse to screw the price down. To say that it isn't going to matter is not true.

 

[Paul_C]

Claptrap? What do you call it when the government wants you to pay anything up to £200, or even more, to do a £50 job in your own home?

I assume you'd be quite happy for the government to pass legislation such as exists already in Australia, which makes it illegal for an unlicensed person to do so much as replace a light switch in his own home?

 

[Hibbo]

Either that or DIY and don't notify it (make sure you test the whole thing though). But you won't get much support for doing that on here.

Which is something I find distinctly odd.

And untrue - the lack of support, that is. We see people discouraged for reasons of incompetence, but not because they are not going to notify.

That is nonsense.

I have spent a lot of time reading through the archives here, and you are having a giraffe when you say that. People, who sound perfectly competent to do simple work in their own homes, are routinely insulted, belittled, patronised and part-peed-to-death for wishing to do said work without handing over hundreds of pounds to their LA, mainly by you.

 

[1john]

As someone who has ignored part P and done what the hell they liked I will supply I am in favor of part P on the following:

1) If I did work bad enough to get found out, I deserve to get found out.
2) Electricians get a real trade.
3) It's only a crime if you get caught.

So... do as you think makes sense

point #2, please elaborate? Or do you just feel as if you have a higher class or social status that an electrician? If so, why do you decide to get your precious hands dirty doing our pityful work? Also breaking the law doesn't make you very respectable does it?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Claptrap? What do you call it when the government wants you to pay anything up to £200, or even more, to do a £50 job in your own home?

It's a BUILDING REGULATION.

We have had Building Regulations in this country for over 800 years - have all the Acts and Regulations brought into being over that time been the product only of "socialistic governments"?

Why don't you go away and find out which party was in power when the first country-wide Building Act was passed in the UK?

Why don't you go away and find out which party was in power when the first set of Building Regulations were introduced?

Why don't you go away and find out which party was in power when the current Building Act was passed? You know - the one which gave the government the power to introduce regulations without Parliamentary debate.

Why don't you go away and find out which party was in power when the first set of Building Regulations under the current act were introduced?


Your attitude that Building Control fees are a tax is the result of ignorance and lazy thinking, and your use of the term "socialistic government" shows an unreasoning desire to ascribe ideological motives to anything which you happen not to like.

I stand by my description of sub-Daily Mail claptrap.

I assume you'd be quite happy for the government to pass legislation such as exists already in Australia, which makes it illegal for an unlicensed person to do so much as replace a light switch in his own home?

You can assume that, as long as you don't mind adding to the list of things you are wrong about.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

People, who sound perfectly competent to do simple work in their own homes, are routinely insulted, belittled, patronised and part-peed-to-death for wishing to do said work without handing over hundreds of pounds to their LA, mainly by you.

Please find some examples.

 

[imagineit]

Well I am rather flattered by the number of people who commented on my remarks, to put one or two things straight:

1. 'High flying top earning' - I've never earned a great deal of money, like most engineers I love the work.

2. One thing I cannot find in the definitions of 'competent person' is what is the relative status of C&G Certificate compared to an NVQ Qualification.

3. I forgot to mention that when I've rewired it all I want the meter moved. As this will mean calling in the supplier's personnel I don't think there's any way I can keep the work secret as they will certainly want to see test certificates before they connect up. And I suspect they will tip off the Local Authority.

4. What is this statute of limitations on Building Regs? I haven't heard of this before.

Note that I have copies of the 17th Edition, Part P, PAT test summary, Inspection & Testing Guidance Notes and a 16th Edition On Site Guide. Have I missed anything?

And yes I am bloody annoyed that the dictators in Whitehall demand to know what I am doing in my own home. If Part P just said nobody but a competent person is allowed to do electrical work, and defined what exactly a competent person was, I might support it. But why do you need to register with a designated organisation? And who decided which organisations? And most important of all,what made them choose the ones they did, and were there any 'inducements' to help them decide. Not of course that I'm suggesting there was anything suspicious!!!

 

[bernardgreen]

You notify the work to the your local building controls prior to work starting.
Pay the application fee.
They inspect on 1st and second fix.
It gets I&T by them or a third part.
Then they sign it off.
and wait for certs
Providing meets relevant standards.

The very first thing is to discuss with the local building control people and explain how you have the necessary experience and knowledge to be able to design, install and test safe electrical systems. They may then accept your signature on the inspection certificate.

 

[bernardgreen]

3) It's only a crime if you get caught.

If you get caught then it is a crime with the (hopefully) appropriate punishment.

If you don't get caught it is still a crime.

 

[Paul_C]

Claptrap? What do you call it when the government wants you to pay anything up to £200, or even more, to do a £50 job in your own home?

It's a BUILDING REGULATION.

That doesn't make it right.

We have had Building Regulations in this country for over 800 years

And we've had overbearing governments which seek to control people's lives to every last detail for over 800 years as well.

- have all the Acts and Regulations brought into being over that time been the product only of "socialistic governments"?

Why don't you go away and find out which party was in power when the first country-wide Building Act was passed in the UK? {......}

Previous supposedly Conservative governments have displayed similar tendencies, I don't dispute that.

It was a supposedly Conservative Prime Minister who signed Britain into the then-EEC, knowing full well the eventual aim of creating a federal superstate which is a socialist dictatorship. There have been supposedly Conservative governments in power when overbearing employment legislation, mandatory seat belts, and similar laws which have no place in a free society were passed.

It's the tendency of governments to continually push for more and more control and power over everything.

Your attitude that Building Control fees are a tax is the result of ignorance and lazy thinking, and your use of the term "socialistic government" shows an unreasoning desire to ascribe ideological motives to anything which you happen not to like.

What are the fees if they aren't a tax then?

You can assume that, as long as you don't mind adding to the list of things you are wrong about.

So we're only arguing over a matter of degree then? How much more expensive and/or restrictive would the rules have to become here before you would say enough?

 

[bernardgreen]

Building regulations are necessary and need to be followed to prevent the construction of dangerous buildings.

Originally aimed at ensuring builders building to sell at a profit did not cut corners that reason is still necessary. Probably more so now as today there are far fewer craftsmen with a pride in doing a job properly and more bodging cowboys out to make a quick profit from un-suspecting house buyers and owners needing repair work done.

If the person doing the work can show they have the required skills and competance then DIY work is perfectly accepteable to all parts of the building regualtions.

 

[chapeau]

Needs to be deleted as duplicate.

 

[chapeau]

Have to agree with bernardgreen.

Note that I have copies of the 17th Edition, Part P, PAT test summary, Inspection & Testing Guidance Notes and a 16th Edition On Site Guide. Have I missed anything?

There is a OSG for the 17th edition as well as updated guidance notes (5th Edition - of the book - I believe). OSG will be very useful for what you propose to do

 

[ban-all-sheds]

That doesn't make it right.

In what way does it make it wrong?

Do you think that we would be better off if there were no controls on what/how/where people could build?

And we've had overbearing governments which seek to control people's lives to every last detail for over 800 years as well.

I suggest you go and live somewhere where there are no controls on people's freedom of actions, and see how you like it.

Previous supposedly Conservative governments have displayed similar tendencies, I don't dispute that.

It was a supposedly Conservative Prime Minister who signed Britain into the then-EEC, knowing full well the eventual aim of creating a federal superstate which is a socialist dictatorship.

Ah - now I see where you are coming from.

You are utterly beyond reason, and rapidly approaching deranged.

I suggest you just take your inane rantings off to some other forums where like-minded fringe loonies congregate, and you can all rant (and whisper about conspiracies) to each other.

What are the fees if they aren't a tax then?

They are fees - something which is obvious to anyone who is not beyond reason.

So we're only arguing over a matter of degree then?

Actually, I'm not going to argue anything more with you on this topic - it's pointless, as you have shown that your position is on the loony fringe and it is difficult to change by reason ideas which were not put there by it in the first place.