Poorest Are The Hardest Hit

[Dork Lard]

And if they can't, society will have to support them.
Universal basic income then.

The more I learn about it the more I'm liking it.

UBI gives me a hard on & it may be start to the changes we need as a society.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

the benefits system etc is so complex and multi-faceted. No one actually has a credible solution to it and, truth be told, no one ever will.

Solution already addressed.

Some are underpaid for the role they do (value they add), and some are paid "fairly" for their role; it's just not much money.

I've worked with people whose sole role was leaf sweeping and litter picking in a public park. Fine.
They were not going to progress beyond that though, if only because they didn't have the mentality / faculty to organise themselves to do this

That snobby attitude has led to the ruin of the post-Blair generation. Tony wanted everyone to go to university to lift themselves out of manual / menial work, leading to the stigmatisation of certain people and so now we are running out of people willing and able to do that kind of work.

UBI gives me a hard on & it may be start to the changes we need as a society.

I always knew you were a commie. Boasting about taking drugs and having loads of money, and now you want the epsilons on a universal income.

 

[Justin Passing]

Our education system isn't fit for purpose. By its very nature and objectives, it sticks to a relatively rigid curriculum that doesn't suit every pupil. The ideal would be a more flexible curriculum from a young age that could adapt to the strengths of each child. Of course that can't be delivered for a number of reasons, however in an ideal world it would be so.

I was overjoyed (ok slight exaggeration) to see that the reason for having an earth wire on a plug, was in fairly basic science which is at a level they're all supposed to do. Unfortunately, doing a budget and basic nutrition and cooking, aren't on the curriculum in secondary which is where the students need to be, to have some maths ability.
Gov response is to create a GCSE for it - which means specialising. They should be doing it in KS3(11-14), along with basic plumbing, electrics, fuel & energy, growing food, fabrics, health/medicines and other stuff. How about calling it "Domestic science". Oops they tried that. "Life science" then?

 

[Dork Lard]

I was overjoyed (ok slight exaggeration) to see that the reason for having an earth wire on a plug, was in fairly basic science which is at a level they're all supposed to do. Unfortunately, doing a budget and basic nutrition and cooking, aren't on the curriculum in secondary which is where the students need to be, to have some maths ability.
Gov response is to create a GCSE for it - which means specialising. They should be doing it in KS3(11-14), along with basic plumbing, electrics, fuel & energy, growing food, fabrics, and other stuff. How about calling it "domestic science"?

Or you could factor in a degree of parental responsibility for extra curricular learning.

 

[Trazor]

That snobby attitude has led to the ruin of the post-Blair generation. Tony wanted everyone to go to university to lift themselves out of manual / menial work, leading to the stigmatisation of certain people and so now we are running out of people willing and able to do that kind of work.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I was overjoyed (ok slight exaggeration) to see that the reason for having an earth wire on a plug, was in fairly basic science which is at a level they're all supposed to do. Unfortunately, doing a budget and basic nutrition and cooking, aren't on the curriculum in secondary which is where the students need to be, to have some maths ability.
Gov response is to create a GCSE for it - which means specialising. They should be doing it in KS3(11-14), along with basic plumbing, electrics, fuel & energy, growing food, fabrics, health/medicines and other stuff. How about calling it "Domestic science". Oops they tried that. "Life science" then?

Truth be told, the education always has and continues to spit pupils out the other end that haven't been well served at all, due to my aforementioned points.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The education system is designed for the masses, to leave school with enough education to be useful workers for a variety of modern jobs. The few that have, or show, extra ability tend to get a bit extra education. Too many with too good an education would rattle the establishment too mich.

It always helps to be born into a better off family if you want a good career without having to compete too hard to get there

 

[diy_fun_uk]

The education system is designed for the masses, to leave school with enough education to be useful workers for a variety of modern jobs. The few that have, or show, extra ability tend to get a bit extra education. Too many with too good an education would rattle the establishment too mich.

It always helps to be born into a better off family if you want a good career without having to compete too hard to get there

Yep, and unless this cycle is broken (which it won't be because as you say it would upset the 'natural' order of things) it will always be thus. And in a way it links to my other point re why society needs people that haven't been well educated and/or don't have the drive to succeed.

Although I'm not dissing lower level jobs, it's a shame to think many people that end up in those jobs perhaps their entire working life might have faired better career wise had their education been different. I'll repeat, I fully get why education can't be bespoke to each pupil, however the outcomes of a generic approach far from suit every child.

 

[ericmark]

Gov response is to create a GCSE for it - which means specialising.

I have never worked out why driving is not taught in school. However poor is relative. In the 70's we got a house with council fixed mortgage, around the 15% mark, and as the mortgage rate dropped, ours was fixed, and no way to swap, unless we changed house, which we did so we could get rid of the fixed mortgage.

However we could not afford a Mars bar, the price of cigs went up to 50p a packet of 20 king size, no option we gave up. I prayed for overtime, without it I could not manage, but interest rates and inflation was high, so five years latter I was sitting pretty, but mainly as I had found ex-pat work in Algeria, I did not want to leave my family, I would have liked to have stopped in the UK, but no real option, 1980 I started working abroad.

However in 2004 I had an accident, this stopped me working, and this time no option of going abroad, OK house paid for, but it seemed so unfair, I had paid in with earning related, but by time I wanted money out, that had been stopped.

It seemed those who had not tried were OK, the system paid their rent, but those who had tried, were forced to sell what they had first. I hung on by my finger nails, and I do know what it's like, but what actually stopped me, was I could not take a low paid job even if I could find one, some one in government came out with minimum wage, so the traditional jobs for students and the semi retied have gone, no longer night watchman jobs, or manning a corner shop, and doing home work between customers, these jobs dried up.

OK 20% disabled, so why can't I work for 80% of minimum wage? I could not even volunteer, if I did the little I got would be stopped. Once I officially retired I was OK, my pensions started paying, and I found I could look after my mother and be paid, well below the minimum wage, but seems it was allowed when she was my mother, the social services it seems are allowed to pay below minimum wage.

But it was the very things put in to protect us, which caused my problems, I would have found work without the minimum wage, but the dole does not pay minimum wage, so to my mind minimum wage should be just a little higher than the dole.

As to charity, I can't believe how many people send money abroad before they support our own people. Charity begins at home, once we have no homeless, then yes help others, but we see all the begging adverts for people abroad, very little for those at home, we assume the state will provide, but it doesn't, there are simply too many cracks in the system.

The day when I can walk through our cities without seeing homeless, is when I consider helping other countries.