Prior To Brexit....

[JohnD]

trolling

Foxtrot Corgi's hobby.

 

[Gerrydelasel]

If we want access to the EU market, we will have to pay.

China has access to the EU market, do they pay? How about New Zealand? Or Peru?

A House of Commons committee concluded in a recent report that both Switzerland and Norway "are in practice obliged to adopt EU legislation over which they have had no effective say,""

1) The legislation would only apply to those busniesses who wish to trade with the EU. Most businesses are domestic only.
2) We do not require a say over the rules if the EU is as competent as you seem to imply.

And of course in all likelihood, immigration is hardly going to be affected.

Then immigration is a non-issue, so we can focus on all the other reasons people voted leave.

And lets not forget that when we abide by EU law, we actually implement it in anyway we see fit. A good example is Environmental law. Where we have been required to stop polluting from heavy industry, we implemented it in our way. The EU simply provided a framework that we had to follow.

So what you're saying is, the EU was a redundant part of that process. We could have written our own environmental law in the first place.

That's from a democratically elected EU BTW.

Who wrote the legislation? Comissioners are not elected.

Much of the detail for Brexit will be decided by unelected UK officials.

Who? MPs are elected.

 

[wobs]

China has access to the EU market, do they pay? How about New Zealand? Or Peru?


1) The legislation would only apply to those busniesses who wish to trade with the EU. Most businesses are domestic only.
2) We do not require a say over the rules if the EU is as competent as you seem to imply.

We do require a say, as they affect us. Or are you more relaxed about democracy than you imply?

Then immigration is a non-issue, so we can focus on all the other reasons people voted leave.

I wish people here would get that.

So what you're saying is, the EU was a redundant part of that process. We could have written our own environmental law in the first place.

No, because the UK has a poor track record of environmental performance. If we were never in the EU, there are a variety of environmental issues that we would be doing a whole lot worse on.

Who wrote the legislation? Comissioners are not elected.

The EU is a different structure to the UK Government, but to call it undemocratic is wrong:

"the EU has a level of parliamentary scrutiny that exists in no other international structure. No European laws can come into force without passing the double test of acceptability to Council (national governments) and acceptability to the directly elected European Parliament. So to say that the EU has no democratic accountability is not only far removed from reality, it is simply not true!"
https://www.opendemocracy.net/blog/dliberation/democratic_deficit_myth

Who? MPs are elected.

You've not watched the news recently clearly. The bulk of what Brexit will entail will be worked out by unelected officials in the UK.

 

[Foxtrot Oscar]

If we want access to the EU market, we will have to pay. See Norway or Switzerland:

"Norway and Switzerland do pay money to the EU; contributing to the EU's operational expenditure and to the administrative costs of the European Commission. "

A House of Commons committee concluded in a recent report that both Switzerland and Norway "are in practice obliged to adopt EU legislation over which they have had no effective say,""
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-debate-what-do-switzerland-and-norway-tell-us-about-life-outside-eu/
http://www.efta.int/eea/eu-programmes/application-finances/eea-efta-budget
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmfaff/87/8709.htm

And of course in all likelihood, immigration is hardly going to be affected.

And lets not forget that when we abide by EU law, we actually implement it in anyway we see fit. A good example is Environmental law. Where we have been required to stop polluting from heavy industry, we implemented it in our way. The EU simply provided a framework that we had to follow. That's from a democratically elected EU BTW.

Much of the detail for Brexit will be decided by unelected UK officials.

We've been through your argument long ago in the pre Brexit threads so you are simply repeating what pro EU posters here have already stated and it has been done to death.. You are a little late.

 

[Foxtrot Oscar]

Why do you always make an argument, then when it's countered you resort to puerile, trolling comments?

It was a simple observation.. If you can't afford a car, then that is your problem. Personally I am not a fan of German cars as the quality is not what it once was...My VW T5 was chopped for a Transit and I find the quality of my Lexus to be streets ahead of anything that BMW or Mercedes can manage... I wonder if there is a link?

 

[JohnD]

Imported cars will still be within the reach of many.

They'll need to be, seeing what the UK based carmakers are saying.


in the last year, the pound has dropped by about 15%, so you can expect anything imported to go up by about that much. I doubt the extra costs of trading with the EU from outside the Single Market will cost as much again.

So maybe a 20% or 25% price rise for European vehicles.

We can just buy lower grades of vehicle, or keep our old ones for longer.

Anyone hoping to buy a Lexus will be disappointed to learn that the pound has dropped by 28.4% against the Japanese Yen in the last year.

In today's news:

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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/43aef004-893e-11e6-8aa5-f79f5696c731.html

 

[Roger928]

in the last year, the pound has dropped by about 15%, so you can expect anything imported to go up by about that much. I doubt the extra costs of trading with the EU from outside the Single Market will cost as much again.

So maybe a 20% or 25% price rise for European vehicles.

You mention the pound dropping in value.

But you avoid any mention of the euro.

 

[JohnD]

Since you ask, the Euro has risen against the pound by just over 18% in the last year.

I don't know why you asked, though. Are you thinking of becoming a migrant?

Euro / UK Pound Sterling FX Cross Rate
EURGBP
Euro / UK Pound Sterling FX Cross Rate
Actions

• Price (GBP) 0.8713
• Today's Change 0.0031 / 0.36%
• 1 Year change 18.01%
• 52 week range 0.6979 - 0.8746

http://markets.ft.com/data/currencies/tearsheet/summary?s=eurgbp

 

[Roger928]

Us looney leavers and you rabid remainers.
Don't worry JD it will all work out OK in the end.

You can always pull the morris minor out of the shed. LoL

My Dad drives a Lexus. He tried to sell it a while back for £1000 and didn't get a single caller. And its in mint condition.

 

[JohnD]

But you avoid any mention of the euro.

If you had been hoping to retire to Spain, you might want to think again.

 

[Roger928]

Spain might have the paseta back in a few years. Stranger things have happened.

 

[Gerrydelasel]

We do require a say, as they affect us. Or are you more relaxed about democracy than you imply?

No, they will only affect those businesses who wish to trade with the EU. And they will be petty trading rules. So the EU wants appliances to be supplied with 1.5m mains cables and not 1.2m cables. Food nutrition needs to be labelled in tabular form not grahical form. Stuff like that. We don't need a say in stuff like that, not at the cost of billions of pounds and sovereignty, at any rate.

No, because the UK has a poor track record of environmental performance. If we were never in the EU, there are a variety of environmental issues that we would be doing a whole lot worse on.

So you're argument is that we need the EU because we don't deserve sovereignty? We can't be trusted to look after ourselves? We need mother Europe to tell us what to do, for our own good? That's your argument? Jeezus... just emmigrate.

The bulk of what Brexit will entail will be worked out by unelected officials in the UK.

You mean like the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union, David Davis? Elected MP for Howden?

 

[EFLImpudence]

You have a great deal more faith in our British rulers than I do.

I hope you are right.

 

[Foxtrot Oscar]

Us looney leavers and you rabid remainers.
Don't worry JD it will all work out OK in the end.

You can always pull the morris minor out of the shed. LoL

My Dad drives a Lexus. He tried to sell it a while back for £1000 and didn't get a single caller. And its in mint condition.

The people who like to buy money pits prefer to pay through the nose for Euro boxes... To be sure some of the older models suffered from some suspect styling but still a far better motor

 

[Himaginn]

We won't be able to afford them at this rate:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37538459

It'll be parity with the euro soon, and then parity with the dollar.......

Additionally the UK market counts for about 1.5% for BMW's European market.
That's about half of BMW's global market!

Average Mercedes car sales in UK is about 0.7% of their global market!

Jaguar Land Rover, a compatible manufacturer to Mercedes or BMW, had a global sales of about 500,000 in 2015, of which 110,000 were sold in EU.

So BMW sell UK about 0.75% of their global sales, Mercedes sell UK about 0.7% of their global sales, while Jaguar Land Rover sell about 20% of their global sales to EU, their largest market!
Not really a fair contest then!