Race report. UK a model for other white countries

[Dangee]

Blinkered people will only ever highlight the negatives which means their views are meaningless

 

[fillyboy]

Rant all you will about flag shaggers, Brexiteers, Gammons et al all reading the Daily Mail and Shaking their fists at the sky.

The reality dear boy, is that the only person shaking their fists and going a little pink around the chops is yourself.

Calm down.

 

[Notch7]

Blinkered people will only ever highlight the negatives which means their views are meaningless

Yes indeed

And you are truly blinkered

 

[EddieM]

the report was not independent

The outcome, keep up.

 

[Notch7]

Why the Left needs 'institutional racism' - UnHerd

Hilarious

It's an article written by Douglas Murray.

"Murray has been described as a conservative, a neoconservative and a critic of Islam. His views and ideology have been linked to far-right political ideologies by a number of academic and journalistic sources. He has also been accused of promoting far-right conspiracy theories, and of being Islamophobic"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Murray_(author)

So not biased at all

 

[Notch7]

The outcome, keep up.

Eh?

 

[noseall]

Blinkered people will only ever highlight the negatives which means their views are meaningless

Actually, it's your statement that is meaningless and completely untrue.

Blinkered people only see what they want to see. Like your typical RWR flag shagging gammon will only read and highlight the Daily Wail and lefties with their Guardian - whether that be positive or negative points in an article.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

It makes the point that racism does exist, but its key point is that there are greater factors in play that affect the outcomes of the younger generation than just racism,

It would appear that Dr Sewell argues that factors such as poor housing, low aspirations, front-line (zero hours contracts), etc are more important than ethnicity in why ethnic minorities under-perform compared to their white counterparts.
However Dr Sewell fails to ask the all important question: "Why are ethnic minorities in that position?"
If he had asked that question, it would have been obvious to him why prejudice and discrimination is a major factor in inequality in UK.

racism is a easy card to play as a reason for inequality when there are other significant factors that are being ignored. EG Why do children of Black African heritage outperform children of Afro Caribbean heritage despite being in the same classrooms.

I believe Dr Sewell presented this as his justification for why racism is not an important factor in inequality.
However, he presents the answer, yet fails to realise that it is the answer.
African immigrants who perform well tend to be first generation immigrants and have not suffered discrimination and prejudice since birth. Therefore their aspirations and ambitions have not been supressed by a racist society. Subsequent generations of African immigrants become the product of inequality and suffer the same reduced aspirations.
Those of Afro Caribbean heritage tend to be second or subsequent generation of immigrants. They and their parents and older relatives have been oppressed in UK from prejudice and discrimination. They are the very product of years of inequality, and continue to be so. They are the children of the Windrush generation that consider themselves British, but the system does not.

Yet again, we find ourselves in the situation where anyone that says that there may be other factors in play other than racism is denounced as a racist or a victim blamer to shut down the discussion.

No-one is trying to or wants to shut down the discussion, except perhaps Dr Sewell, who was employed by Boris Johnson to head a commission, when his conclusions were already well established eleven years ago, and several members have not only disagreed with the conclusion, but have stated that their views have been misrepresented, or not represented at all. Additionally, Boris Johnson has espoused overt racist comments in the past.
If Dr Sewell wants to raise the aspirations of ethnic minorities, and thereby reduce inequality, by arguing that those that suffer the injustice of inequality have the ability to rise above it, then a) you cannot rise above a structural problem by simply ignoring it, and b) arguing for such an approach alienates those who are acutely aware of that structural inequality from their own experiences, and c) gives those who have the ability to affect inequality, an ideal excuse to do nothing, and d) gives racists an ideal opportunity to deny that racism is a problem in modern day societies.

We know that BJ's mantra is to do as little as possible, and to do it as slowly as possible.

 

[Notch7]

I do think the report is right to point out the successes of UK in terms of improving equality.

This is I think where the BLM campaign fails, if it applauded UKs success on reducing racism it might bring people with it.

Sadly we live in a political period where the Right wing stoke division to get their supporters to unite against a common enemy, for example: BBC, teachers, poor people wanting food vouchers, refugees in boats, immigrants, people wanting equality, Greta Thunberg, Meghan Markle.

The numpty RWR fall for it every time; look at em on this forum......lemmings.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

I do think the report is right to point out the successes of UK in terms of improving equality.

It would depend on where and how you define success.

https://www.bbc.com/news/53053661

 

[SirGalahad]

I do think the report is right to point out the successes of UK in terms of improving equality.

This is I think where the BLM campaign fails, if it applauded UKs success on reducing racism it might bring people with it.

Sadly we live in a political period where the Right wing stoke division to get their supporters to unite against a common enemy, for example: BBC, teachers, poor people wanting food vouchers, refugees in boats, immigrants, people wanting equality, Greta Thunberg, Meghan Markle.

The numpty RWR fall for it every time; look at em on this forum......lemmings.

It is a very questionable report because academics and experts have been referenced in the report without their knowledge.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...report-claim-they-were-not-properly-consulted

Experts cited in No 10's race report claim they were not properly consulted
Academics say they were not asked to produce research specifically for commission on racial disparities

 

[SirGalahad]

The aim of the report was to stoke division and it has succeeded. This partisan divisional politics will just corrupt the rest of society.

Public Contracts costing into the billions handed out to friends and Tory party donors.

This should cut across party lines but the Tories have wilfully decided to stoke division and culture war so the public is distracted and becomes disinterested in politics.

The US they stormed the Capitol building - where you think it will end in the UK?

 

[Vinty]

The "anti racists" need to keep stoking resentment and division in order to keep themselves relevant.
If racism was completely eradicated in Britain they would lose their status as self appointed arbiters of what is racism and what isn't.

 

[Vinty]

African immigrants who perform well tend to be first generation immigrants and have not suffered discrimination and prejudice since birth

It could be that a lot of black African immigrants tend to have good qualifications when they arrive in Britain.
This is why their children tend to work harder at school and are more aspirational than their Afro/Caribbean counterparts.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

The "anti racists" need to keep stoking resentment and division in order to keep themselves relevant.

I would hope that every rational person would be "anti racist". If not, they must be either pro racist, or ambivalent. Unless they believe that racism does not exist. Then they're delusional.
Are you an anti racist person, or a pro racist person? Or are you ambivalent?

If racism was completely eradicated in Britain they would lose their status as self appointed arbiters of what is racism and what isn't.

Aaah, the argument of a thief: "If wasn't for thieves we wouldn't need police, so the thief is keeping police in a job. Therefore thieves are a necessity for society to operate."