RNLI takes down its website after suspected hacking attempt

[AngleEyes]

You apply for asylum in the first safe country you reach. Once you have leave to remain, you can apply for a visa like anyone else who wants to come to the UK.

And all the asylum seekers end up in Turkey, Italy or Spain.
That's a typical NIMBY attitude, and ignores the capacity of such countries to provide for the asylum seekers.
But it also ignores the fact that the more important, more difficult and more dangerous decision was to lave in the first place, after that it's a relative walk in the park (no pun intended).
It also ignores the time, money and processes for reaching a state of settled status.

 

[motorbiking]

It's not a relative walk in the park crossing the channel this time of year. Its very difficult to get your head around why someone would risk crossing the channel in a home made boat with a small engine (and pay £6k+ each). But back on topic, The RNLI would probably be better focused, providing more of a coastal rescue service in UK waters, which is the reason most people fund them. Its hard to defend them in French waters when France has the SNSM, which is also very well funded. Perhaps they should coordinate with them, which is their mandate with the UK coastguard.

A skipper would run in to legal difficulties, if he picked up people without coordination with the national (local) coastguard.

 

[AngleEyes]

It's not a relative walk in the park crossing the channel this time of year. Its very difficult to get your head around why someone would risk crossing the channel in a home made boat with a small engine (and pay £6k+ each).

Having read some accounts of people escaping their country of origin, it is a relative walk in the park.

But back on topic, The RNLI would probably be better focused, providing more of a coastal rescue service in UK waters, which is the reason most people fund them. Its hard to defend them in French waters when France has the SNSM, which is also very well funded. Perhaps they should coordinate with them, which is their mandate with the UK coastguard.

I'm sure they do. I'm pretty sure the RNLI don't meander around the seaways looking for people to rescue. I'm pretty sure that the appropriate resources are called on to help out. Those resources for UK are invariably RNLI.
The border Force are not the recognised search and rescue organisation nor experts.

IA skipper would run in to legal difficulties, if he picked up people without coordination with the national (local) coastguard.

A skipper would probably run into legal difficulties if he ignored people in distress while he waited to seek to coordinate with national coastguards.

Under the 1982 United Nations Convention of the Law of the Sea, ships have a clear duty to assist those in distress. Article 98 (1) states that “ every State shall require the master of a ship flying its flag, in so far as he can do so without serious damage to the ship, the crew, or the passengers…
https://www.nortonrosefulbright.com...at-sea---obligations-of-the-shipping-industry
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Once the rescue has been effected the situation may become more complicated:

Most mariners will not hesitate to “do the right thing” and conduct a rescue. Indeed, the law of the sea requires them to do so. However, it is once the rescue is conducted and migrants are onboard that issues might arise.
https://www.nortonrosefulbright.com...at-sea---obligations-of-the-shipping-industry
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In addition, coordination is expected.

by way of mutual regional arrangements cooperate with neighbouring States for this purpose. ”.
https://www.nortonrosefulbright.com...at-sea---obligations-of-the-shipping-industry
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Also the updated convention specifically includes refugees to be rescued.

This obligation to provide assistance applies regardless of the nationality or status of such persons or the circumstances in which they are found. "
https://www.nortonrosefulbright.com...at-sea---obligations-of-the-shipping-industry
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[motorbiking]

Thanks for the lecture on SOLAS.., Picked people up as in ferried them. i.e. gave them a ride to the UK, instead of allowing them to progress in their inflatable. If you assist someone making an illegal crossing, you break the law.

The allegations from those not happy (some of whom volunteer) is that they have become a bit too internationally focused. For example funding overseas projects etc.

I'm sure they do. I'm pretty sure the RNLI don't meander around the seaways looking for people to rescue. I'm pretty sure that the appropriate resources are called on to help out. Those resources for UK are invariably RNLI.
The border Force are not the recognised search and rescue organisation nor experts.

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This doesn't stack up - it would take a minimum of 2 hours for them to get there, if they were "home" based. They really aren't the best people to be assisting migrants in French waters. It does feel similar to the charities who were collecting people from Libya and ferrying them to Italy and being blocked from ports by the Italians.

The safer the crossing, the more will try. That will result in more lives lost as there are always going to be risks.

I don't have any problem at all btw with the RNLI assisting people once they are in UK waters.

 

[Notch7]

There are volunteers who stand on the cliffs with binoculars looking for refugee boats and they alert the RNLI

 

[motorbiking]

No problem with that - but they have been accused of journeying to French waters for the purpose of escorting migrant boats through the TSZ etc on more than one occasion.

 

[fillyboy]

Thanks for the lecture on SOLAS..,

Well after all, you're only a fully qualified skipper.

 

[Notch7]

No problem with that - but they have been accused of journeying to French waters for the purpose of escorting migrant boats through the TSZ etc on more than one occasion.

if the UK allowed asylum applications in France, there would be no need.

 

[motorbiking]

We do.

go to france

claim asylum

sorted

 

[Deleted member 18243]

There was an interesting documentary on the (yuck) BBC last night about the economic rise of Turkey. The refugee camps were shown, and some Syrian refugees were interviewed in the camps, and some interviewed who had obtained legitimate work outside of the camps. One Syrian fellow said he and his family had to flee their home after it had been bombed by Russian planes, and then subsequently colonised by deash/isis scum of the earth. These workers seemed decent folk and said they wanted to stay in Turkey - good on them, Turkey is a far more suitable place for them than Europe.

(Note to the people who claim that Syrian refugees are fleeing conditions caused by the actions of the UK: these Syrians were fleeing Russian planes and islamic savages).

The show's main message was that Erdogan welcomes these refugees; they fought for him in the recent attempted military coup and he houses, pays and treats them well. Erdogan has plans for the refugees as part of Turkey's forthcoming mighty islamic resurgence. In other words, he is importing voters, which is what Tony Blair did. This is a modern trend; France has been doing it as well. There, it is known as the "Great Replacement".

 

[Notch7]

We do.

go to france

claim asylum

sorted

Well we used to, then we had Brexit.

 

[Notch7]

There was an interesting documentary on the (yuck) BBC last night about the economic rise of Turkey. The refugee camps were shown, and some Syrian refugees were interviewed in the camps, and some interviewed who had obtained legitimate work outside of the camps. One Syrian fellow said he and his family had to flee their home after it had been bombed by Russian planes, and then subsequently colonised by deash/isis scum of the earth. These workers seemed decent folk and said they wanted to stay in Turkey - good on them, Turkey is a far more suitable place for them than Europe.

(Note to the people who claim that Syrian refugees are fleeing conditions caused by the actions of the UK: these Syrians were fleeing Russian planes and islamic savages).

The show's main message was that Erdogan welcomes these refugees; they fought for him in the recent attempted military coup and he houses, pays and treats them well. Erdogan has plans for the refugees as part of Turkey's forthcoming mighty islamic resurgence. In other words, he is importing voters, which is what Tony Blair did. This is a modern trend; France has been doing it as well. There, it is known as the "Great Replacement".

the EU pays billions to Turkey…..because there are 3.5million Syrian refugees there.

but there are 80 million displaced people in the world, I doubt Turkey can take all them.

 

[Deleted member 292770]

 

[AngleEyes]

Thanks for the lecture on SOLAS..,

I'm sure you were aware of the requirements, but you cannot choose to ignore them when suggesting that refugees should be ignored due to how they arrived in their predicament.

Its very difficult to get your head around why someone would risk crossing the channel in a home made boat with a small engine (and pay £6k+ each). But back on topic, The RNLI would probably be better focused, providing more of a coastal rescue service in UK waters,

Picked people up as in ferried them. i.e. gave them a ride to the UK, instead of allowing them to progress in their inflatable. If you assist someone making an illegal crossing, you break the law.
The allegations from those not happy (some of whom volunteer) is that they have become a bit too internationally focused. For example funding overseas projects etc.

Using urban mythology and untrue rumours to ferment hatred against refugees is indicative of your attitude towards refugees, and your sympathy with a far right government.

This doesn't stack up - it would take a minimum of 2 hours for them to get there, if they were "home" based. They really aren't the best people to be assisting migrants in French waters.

That suggests why the rumours, urban mythology and allegations are probably untrue.

It does feel similar to the charities who were collecting people from Libya and ferrying them to Italy and being blocked from ports by the Italians.

They were rescuing people at sea in distress. It doesn't matter how far out at sea they were. And if the Libyan coastguard is not existent, or even hostile to refugees at sea, the refugees were in greater peril.
And Italy were acting in contravention of international conventions.

The safer the crossing, the more will try. That will result in more lives lost as there are always going to be risks.

No-one is suggesting making the crossing any safer.
The call is for "safer routes", not to make the unsafe routes safer.
But while the only options are unsafe routes, then search and rescue are obliged to support the absence of UK government's functioning policies. That does not only apply to refugees, it applies to feeding kids, housing families, etc.

I don't have any problem at all btw with the RNLI assisting people once they are in UK waters.

You need to rethink your approach.
If all nations took that approach, there would be no rescue outside of national waters.

 

[AngleEyes]

We do.

go to france

claim asylum

sorted

Of the European nations, Turkey, France and Germany already accept far more refugees, and process then far quicker than UK.

But, Asylum accounts for only 4% of migrants in Europe.
Even in Germany, refugees account for only 1.5% of the population.
https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/...opean-way-life/statistics-migration-europe_en

It's a sh1t storm whipped up by right wing media.