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[Notch7]

If course its not. But migrants entering a country illegally, is err illegal. De facto.

While they are on the boat on their way they ring up the home office to say they would like to claim asylum.

So no they are not illegal migrants.

 

[AngleEyes]

AIS Logs are public - You can track the French on MMSI: 399999999 the Pickup RNLI is MMSI 232002480.

But only for those with a political ideological axe to grind would track those logs over several days.

I don't have a political ideology,

That must be why you track the logs over several days to build a political ideological misrepresentation of RNLI activities.

I think the French authorities are working with a UK Charity to provide a safe crossing for those choosing to cross illegally, no doubt coordinated by phone, now that they know people are recording VHF 16 and publishing it.

Oh my God, you think it's a conspiracy.

I do not think SAR operators should be getting sucked in to this.

Like I said, you want to co-opt charity funded organisations to bow to your political ideology. (but you claim not have a political ideology. )
And you invent spurious allegations as an argument. I'd say that is a perverse politically motivated and disingenuous argument.

I think it should be UK/FR authorities working it out. Be that border patrol or Navy.

That's fine as long as they are effecting rescues.

If this is not the situation I wonder what the explanation is for a French warship to cross a TSZ at 5.8kts, turn around and come back in obvious violation of ColReg rule 10. The vessel master would not do this without good reason.

Reached the limit of their search pattern?
Received a radio message to alter course to effect a rescue?
Trainee skipper?

Rule 10 is one of the longest rules and one of the hardest to understand.​

 

[AngleEyes]

Have a bought a lawful ticket and hold a lawfull passport on this hypothetical ferry? Or am I stowing away illegally on my way to pick up a free phone and other free stuff as part of a bogus claim?

What total garbage some people spout.
What is the point of a free phone if there's no coverage?

Ministers have admitted a mobile phone outage at removal centres has prevented people from accessing legal services to challenge their deportation, days before a charter flight is set to leave the UK.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...deportation-flight-legal-advice-a9323806.html
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Other complaints include no charging capability.

Then there's the abuse of refugees:

Whistleblower tells inquiry of ‘shocking’ abuse at immigration detention centre
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/29/whistleblower-gives-evidence-at-brook-house-inquiry
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All of this abuse and lack of consideration of refugees is driven by government policy of blaming refugees for the problems caused by governments.

 

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Dare say the policy to encourage and assist the migration from France to the UK comes from very top that scoundrel

macron

 

[JP_]

Refugees are often treated as badly as Jews were treated, with regular beatings, possessions stolen, bedding and tents burnt.
The persecution continues in Europe.

 

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Refugees are often treated as badly as Jews were treated, with regular beatings, possessions stolen, bedding and tents burnt.
The persecution continues in Europe.

the french , Greeks , and Spanish

are the worst perpetrators of this abuse

no wonder they are desperate to get to the UK

sanctuary from certain countries in the EU

 

[motorbiking]

But only for those with a political ideological axe to grind would track those logs over several days.


That must be why you track the logs over several days to build a political ideological misrepresentation of RNLI activities.


Oh my God, you think it's a conspiracy.


Like I said, you want to co-opt charity funded organisations to bow to your political ideology. (but you claim not have a political ideology. )
And you invent spurious allegations as an argument. I'd say that is a perverse politically motivated and disingenuous argument.


That's fine as long as they are effecting rescues.


Reached the limit of their search pattern?
Received a radio message to alter course to effect a rescue?
Trainee skipper?

Rule 10 is one of the longest rules and one of the hardest to understand.​

It was your insistence that it was just rumour and right wing media propaganda, that led me to collect the information. It took some time as it was not immediately obvious which vessel was frequently being used. I was originally happy to accept a journalists claim, followed by a press statement from the RNLI that did not deny the allegations. It was you that insisted on the actual data. It was not hard to collect the information you are welcome to analyse it and present alternative findings.

WRT Rule 10, I'm not sure I follow you, it really isn't complex, every day skipper knows about TSZs. They are the one way streets of shipping lanes. You must follow the flow, stay out or cross at 90 degrees. You should not criss cross them at a slower than leisurely speed without good reason.

What are your referring to as the AIS data not showing?
Your comment seems absurd in the context of the quoted post.

Speed - they progress at a leisurely pace on route to the rendezvous. Normally they open the taps to get on task asap.

Its difficult to see these activities as SARs. When you look at the facts:
- the nearest available vessel is not requisitioned to assist.
- the French warship does not appear to want to intervene or help, maybe nobody is at risk of drowning?
- it is difficult to understand why a vessel that is 1-2 hours away is the best to help?

I wonder what the French Navy would do, if the UK authorities refused to meet them? Or if the UK SARs vessels took them to the nearest Port (in France) in accordance with international SOLAS conventions?

 

[AngleEyes]

It was your insistence that it was just rumour and right wing media propaganda, that led me to collect the information.

But you must accept that it was tainted by your bias. In addition, because it was your personal record, without any reference to dates ot times, it must be considered unreliable. Which is why I expect some evidence from a reliable, creditable source,

It took some, time as it was not immediately obvious which vessel was frequently being used. I was originally happy to accept a journalists claim, followed by a press statement from the RNLI that did not deny the allegations. It was you that insisted on the actual data. It was not hard to collect the information you are welcome to analyse it and present alternative findings.

I don't have a politically motivated argument.
You do obviously, which is why you supposedly collected the record, but without some reliable, creditable auditing it's worthless.

WRT Rule 10, I'm not sure I follow you, it really isn't complex, every day skipper knows about TSZs. They are the one way streets of shipping lanes. You must follow the flow, stay out or cross at 90 degrees. You should not criss cross them at a slower than leisurely speed without good reason.

I'm sure the skippers of war ships are sufficiently familiar with them, and the reasons when and how they can be discarded.
The mere fact that a warship has not followed the requirement rigidly to your satisfaction is proof of zilch.

 

[AngleEyes]

the french , Greeks , and Spanish

are the worst perpetrators of this abuse

no wonder they are desperate to get to the UK

sanctuary from certain countries in the EU

I wasn't aware that you are a UN inspector of immigration detention centres.
In which case I bow to your superior experience.

Do you have to wear your panda suit as a disguise.

 

[AngleEyes]

Dare say the policy to encourage and assist the migration from France to the UK comes from very top that scoundrel

macron

Getting his own back on his scoundrel English great grandparent for deserting his French wife and children?

 

[ellal]

Answer my question. Have I bought a lawful ticket and have a lawful use of the ferry to get to a place lawfully? Or am I illegally chancing a crossing in the hope of free stuff when I spew out a load of lies to get what I want?

Maybe you have, maybe you haven't...

Who knows what is going on in your sick mind!

So does it make a difference when you are drowning?

You have chosen to cut off funding to the organisation regardless of whether you have 'bought a lawful ticket' or not...

The sea makes no choice as to the legality of the means of your travel...

To think otherwise is very very stupid!

 

[motorbiking]

What are your referring to as the AIS data not showing?
Your comment seems absurd in the context of the quoted post.

But you must accept that it was tainted by your bias. In addition, because it was your personal record, without any reference to dates ot times, it must be considered unreliable. Which is why I expect some evidence from a reliable, creditable source,



I don't have a politically motivated argument.
You do obviously, which is why you supposedly collected the record, but without some reliable, creditable auditing it's worthless.


I'm sure the skippers of war ships are sufficiently familiar with them, and the reasons when and how they can be discarded.
The mere fact that a warship has not followed the requirement rigidly to your satisfaction is proof of zilch.

I think its clear you had and still have no idea about maritime law, SOLAS, ColRegs, AIS, TSSs, even how a Navionics chart looks, yet you argue to discredit anyone who posts anything, always assuming they have an agenda. Everything I have provided is readily available, these are as public as historic house prices. Once you know the "post code" its as easy as calling "Taxi to Dover please" on Ch16.

 

[^woody^]

I wonder what you would be thinking when your ferry was sinking?

So does it make a difference when you are drowning?

Yes it does that's why I asked.

So, if I was a legitimate passenger on lawful use going to a place lawfully, I would expect help.

If I was sneaking in somewhere illegally to claim unwarranted free stuff as a chancer, having left somewhere safe, I would not expect others to pay for my rescue from my illegal act as it would be all of my own making. But that's me and my personal ethics.

 

[ellal]

Yes it does that's why I asked.

So, if I was a legitimate passenger on lawful use going to a place lawfully, I would expect help.

If I was sneaking in somewhere illegally to claim unwarranted free stuff as a chancer, having left somewhere safe, I would not expect others to pay for my rescue from my illegal act as it would be all of my own making. But that's me and my personal ethics.

Then your personal ethics are nothing to be proud of...

It's akin to me saying I wouldn't cross the road and p*ss on you if you were on fire...

A human being is a human being no matter what circumstances!

PS. I would p*ss on you

 

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Then your personal ethics are nothing to be proud of...

It's akin to me saying I wouldn't cross the road and p*ss on you if you were on fire...

A human being is a human being no matter what circumstances!

PS. I would p*ss on you

i dare say not many would risk there life to cross a road to ***s
On you

mind you I would if you were on fire