Savile again

[calorific]

Well- it seems that some of the 'victims', are now seeking legal advice regarding compensation.
Thats the green light for many many more 'victims' to step forward.
Get ready for the rush !!

and all on the basis of an allegation too.

Er, these people making the claim are the victims and therefore witnesses ffs. Now I object to me having to pay for them though any of my licence fee if that's how it pans out, but I object to your blase attitude more

 

[alumni]

Well- it seems that some of the 'victims', are now seeking legal advice regarding compensation.
Thats the green light for many many more 'victims' to step forward.
Get ready for the rush !!

and all on the basis of an allegation too.

Er, these people making the claim are the victims and therefore witnesses ffs. Now I object to me having to pay for them though any of my licence fee if that's how it pans out, but I object to your blase attitude more

really?
And as there been any sort of investigation yet?
Thought not, so they are allegations.

 

[calorific]

Define "investigation"
The define what you would accept as guilt "beyond reasonable doubt"

 

[peterperfection]

Define "investigation"
The define what you would accept as guilt "beyond reasonable doubt"

Personally I'd accept beyond reasonable doubt- when the accused has had his say and been heard.
Latest allegation is from a 'sex change' ''''victim'''.
Which sort of makes it hard to see who is the 'pervert' and who 'is not' in all this mess .

 

[calorific]

Would you say that "Vlad the Impaler" was guilty beyond reasonable doubt, even though he's not and never will have his say?

 

[peterperfection]

Would you say that "Vlad the Impaler" was guilty beyond reasonable doubt, even though he's not and never will have his say?

I think i'd have liked to hear his side of the story - to be able to make my decision .
Everyone seems to accept jesus walked on water- but- we all know it is not true.
People just want to believe its true though - just to be on 'the safe side' .

 

[calorific]

Saville had sort of told his side of the story and denied it. Personally I wish it wasn't true but unless I'm a completely rubbish judge of voice, character and body language, the self-proclaimed victims sounded pretty convincing to me whereas Saville sounded trite, inconvincing and dismissive in his glib denials. There was however a moment where he (IMHO) revealed himself during the Louis Theroux program. It was only a second, but sufficient for me.

 

[peterperfection]

Saville had sort of told his side of the story and denied it. Personally I wish it wasn't true but unless I'm a completely rubbish judge of voice, character and body language, the self-proclaimed victims sounded pretty convincing to me whereas Saville sounded trite, inconvincing and dismissive in his glib denials. There was however a moment where he (IMHO) revealed himself during the Louis Theroux program. It was only a second, but sufficient for me.

EVERYONE likes to think he/She is a good judge of character. I used to think I was --until I got it wrong so so many times.
DONT judge a book by its cover please.
ok Savile was a weirdo for sure. We all know weirdos in our daily lives.
BUT- being weird does not make a person a paedo.
Yes- he may have done some of the things that have been mentioned .
We all know that lots of young girls are described as 'jail bait' (because they look so much older).
Do you actually think that Savile would have asked a girl her age if she looked 'old enough' and he had a 'stalk on' ?.

Even if he had asked her- -- we all know girls in teen years dont tell lies- dont we ?.

 

[calorific]

Thanks peterperfect. I hear what you say but somewhere along the line one has to make a judgment and stick with it until shown otherwise. I thought about it for a few days and deliberately avoided some things to try and look at the arguments on both sides. Having watched that documentary, read a few bits and pieces, watched Saville on Louis Theroux and listened to him (Saville) on radio interviews I'm happy to go with my view of his guilt even though, TBH, I'd rather that he was just a bit of a wierdo with altruistic principles, and not a practising deviant.

 

[sooey]

What else can you call someone who sees a young girl in a wheelchair on her own in a corridor and walks over as if to give her a kiss, then rams his tongue down her throat.
I can't believe these two idiots are still trying to argue for him, but there you go.
By the way alumni I'm still waiting for this explanation.

 

[Big Tone]

What else can you call someone who sees a young girl in a wheelchair on her own in a corridor and walks over as if to give her a kiss, then rams his tongue down her throat.

You can make certain inquiries and ask pertinent questions like: -

Don’t assume she is telling the truth
Who, if anyone, saw it?
If someone did, why did they not pursue the matter or tell him to...

A) Shout get the f*uck off her you damn pervert!
B) Forcefully drag the c*nt off!
C) Punch his face!
D) All three

Are you aware the word gulible is the only word not in the OED?

 

[sooey]

Are you aware the word gulible is the only word not in the OED?

In light of everything else that's come out about savile I happen to believe the lady. If you don't that's up to you.
There are lots and lots of other words that are in the OED, here's a few examples...

stupid, blind, holocaust, denying, bast*rd.

You'll find all of them in there if you look.

By the way the justice secretary no less had this to say.

Justice Secretary Chris Grayling told Murnaghan that everyone had been shocked by stories involving NHS hospitals and homes for children, adding that "the BBC in particular has to learn lessons from this".

"I think all of us who once saw Jimmy Savile as a great national figure, now are utterly horrified by the truth that's emerged about him," he said.

"Nobody could possibly defend anything that's happened. Of course it's right and proper that we identify how on earth this was able to happen, why senior people did not act earlier, whether there are lessons to learn now.

"I think particularly whether there are people who were also involved at the time - Jimmy Savile is no longer with us - but who were involved and are still with us.

"It's right and proper that the police investigate all allegations."

He's made his mind up, and he's got no problem saying it even though savile is dead and beyond justice.

 

[alumni]

Are you aware the word gulible is the only word not in the OED?

In light of everything else that's come out about savile I happen to believe the lady. If you don't that's up to you.
There are lots and lots of other words that are in the OED, here's a few examples...

stupid, blind, holocaust, denying, bast*rd.

You'll find all of them in there if you look.

By the way the justice secretary no less had this to say.

Justice Secretary Chris Grayling told Murnaghan that everyone had been shocked by stories involving NHS hospitals and homes for children, adding that "the BBC in particular has to learn lessons from this".

"I think all of us who once saw Jimmy Savile as a great national figure, now are utterly horrified by the truth that's emerged about him," he said.

"Nobody could possibly defend anything that's happened. Of course it's right and proper that we identify how on earth this was able to happen, why senior people did not act earlier, whether there are lessons to learn now.

"I think particularly whether there are people who were also involved at the time - Jimmy Savile is no longer with us - but who were involved and are still with us.

"It's right and proper that the police investigate all allegations."

He's made his mind up, and he's got no problem saying it even though savile is dead and beyond justice.

I see you conveniently ignored his use of the word 'allegations'.

Selective as ever.

 

[sooey]

I see you conveniently ignored his use of the word 'allegations'.

I see you don't understand the context in which he used the word.
Stupid as ever.

Still waiting for your explanation.

 

[alumni]

Ah, the scouse fallback position. Insults.

You just carry on being selective in the information you wish to consider.