He doesn't sound like a broken man does he?
And you can be jailed for life (in this country) for what you might have done or intended to do.
Shaker Aamer, Guantanamo detainee.
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He doesn't sound like a broken man does he?
And you can be jailed for life (in this country) for what you might have done or intended to do.
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So locking someone up for years without charge, trial or legal assistance is acceptable?
Is this acceptable for any reason, (wrong place, wrong time), suspicion of any crime, or just specific crimes? What is the criteria people will accept for incarceration without trial? Is that the bloke down the road said so, enough reason?
Isn't that what they do in third-rate despot countries, where the law has no meaning? Somewhere like a caliphate for instance.
Is this acceptable for any reason, (wrong place, wrong time), suspicion of any crime, or just specific crimes? What is the criteria people will accept for incarceration without trial? Is that the bloke down the road said so, enough reason?
Isn't that what they do in third-rate despot countries, where the law has no meaning? Somewhere like a caliphate for instance.
Why did they hold him so long without trial?
They certainly seem to have had circumstantial evidence. And our judiciary are quite happy to see someone jailed for life on circumstantial evidence in this country. The Americans even more so.
They certainly seem to have had circumstantial evidence. And our judiciary are quite happy to see someone jailed for life on circumstantial evidence in this country. The Americans even more so.
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Who, on here would leave the UK, travel to "Taliban held Afghanistan" To make a "Better life for their family." Come on, be totally honest. Would JohnD go? Would WWT go? I for one very much doubt it That's what Shaker said in an interview. His very own words, not mine, certainly not misquoted nor taken out of context. Is there a context to take your family from the relative safety of the UK to some war zone, in the forlorn hope you can make things better for them? He's either telling lies ,, or he's telling lies.
You mean because he has dark skin, is a Muslim, is foreign? Or is there some other reason you would murder him? I'm interested as to your reasons for murdering someone, as I hold to values of innocent until proven guilty, trial by jury, that kind of soft wet liberal nonsense.
I know a few that travelled to Afghan in an attempt to better the lives of others, some didn't come back in one piece.
They got lots of "thank you" from Afghans but hatred from non afghans over here.
Go figure.
They got lots of "thank you" from Afghans but hatred from non afghans over here.
Go figure.
They held him so long without trial because they could. The 'legal' framework they created allowed it. If they had evidence, why did they not try him? Basically they had no evidence, and tortured him to extract a 'confession'. Didn't they do that in the Middle Ages?
Your logic seems to be they held him, therefore he must have been guilty. You surely know of the Guildford Four and others who were imprisoned on the basis of false evidence.
Sorry, forgot to mention they were soldiers.
Jeez, now you're abusing the French.
That's irrelevant.
If a person was part of illegal activity, or waging illegal war, then they should be tried as such. That is the way a society operates.
You are missing the point that a person has been locked way by a state and no case has been presented against them nor have they been given access to legal assistance.
Ignore the person, ignore the country, ignore the allegations or reasons, and then ask yourself "is it right?". Incarceration for years without trial. Is it right?
That is or may be the case but what happens to you until you are found guilty?
You mean, prior to your trial. At your trial you may be found guilty, or not guilty, or, in Scotland, not proven.
You are told what you are accused of, and charged, and allowed legal representation, and the evidence against you is disclosed. You may be bailed, or you may, by due process, be remanded.
You are not imprisoned without charge, and you are not tortured.
I'm sure you know all that.
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Does anyone care!
In order to be detained they need reasonable grounds to hold you. They can do so for a short period of time, days not years. Beyond that period they require judicial input, whereby a senior judge examines the evidence, and decides whether or not there is enough to hold you. If there is sufficient evidence, it is passed to the CPS who must decide if there is enough evidence for a trial. If there is, then it goes to court where the evidence is tested and you are found guilty, or released.
We do not keep someone in solitary confinement for 14 years without trial.
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