Shortsighted Diesel Withdrawl

[IT Minion]

This is what I'm referring to. As long as a combustion engine keeps chugging along with parts replaced here and there, the car stays on the road. Yes I appreciate these engines also have a finite life. However I wonder how cheap replacement batteries will be if they are beyond service/repair?

Sxturbo has some of the current costs in a link on page 3. Right now it's a lot, in the future it might get down to the same level as replacing a turbo.

 

[mitch66]

If you look at our Governments motivation, they have this messianic desire to prove other country and people wrong- why you get the oft quoted - world beating. Its all show and PR. They want to lead on making the economy more green - a laudable aim but want to force it through so they can have some cheap wins as they fail so badly in other areas of Government.

The ban itself will quietly be extended but it provides for headlines today.

 

[mitch66]

If you look at our Governments motivation, they have this messianic desire to prove other country and people wrong- why you get the oft quoted - world beating. Its all show and PR. They want to lead on making the economy more green - a laudable aim but want to force it through so they can have some cheap wins as they fail so badly in other areas of Government.

The ban itself will quietly be extended but it provides for headlines today.

That is absolutely spot.

 

[SirGalahad]

That is absolutely spot.

I am not against the move towards decarbonisation but basing policy to get ahead of other countries so there is something you can say you lead on is for PR. I think everyone can agree that decarbonisation has its merits but that we need to be sensible about it. If we let the extremes control the debate (the "tree huggers" on one side and the "climate deniers" on the other) we will just end up with muddled up policy.

We should absolutely still be using fossil fuels but in a measured way trying to reduce it - not a headlong rush to win headlines. If we had less adversarial politics where the parties had incentives to work together more perhaps we could have a more nuanced debate. It has elements of debates around polarising subjects such as racism, immigration etc

 

[sxturbo]

I haven't found the study behind the report, but it sounded like they were only looking at engine starts and a few minutes after that. Which is an odd range to study, but T&E paid for it so they get what they want.

Transport and Environment are a bit too strident for me. I agree with their conclusions but it feels like they're happy to overstate their case.

Yes that's what they were testing, was on despatches the other night.

They only pollute more for a few minutes on initial start up, and this is because the rules focus on co2.

After the first few minutes and engines are warmed the hybrids are "cleaner"

The research group want the government to also legislate these other gas pollutants.

 

[mitch66]

I am not against the move towards decarbonisation but basing policy to get ahead of other countries so there is something you can say you lead on is for PR. I think everyone can agree that decarbonisation has its merits but that we need to be sensible about it. If we let the extremes control the debate (the "tree huggers" on one side and the "climate deniers" on the other) we will just end up with muddled up policy.

We should absolutely still be using fossil fuels but in a measured way trying to reduce it - not a headlong rush to win headlines. If we had less adversarial politics where the parties had incentives to work together more perhaps we could have a more nuanced debate. It has elements of debates around polarising subjects such as racism, immigration etc

Very sensible tbh.