Should Boris return?

[JohnD]

as usual, mottie has nothing to support the beliefs he claims to hold.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Good to see that, as usual, mottie has nothing to support the beliefs he claims to hold. He even brags that his own "knowledge" is meagre and unsatisfactory.

Mottie fantasises that Brexers have support among the under-65s.

As with the damage Brexers have caused to the nation,

Mottie doesn't care.

Ive not seen any opinion polls or analysis that says brexit was good for the country.

Whether age groups are included or not.

Do you have any thing to show that counters all the others mottie ? Anything that suggests, even if it doesnt prove ?

 

[Pat ex]

Yawn. From the first link you give: "Older people with fewer formal qualifications most likely to have voted Leave". Most likely is just an opinion.

"most likely" is also a way of expressing the documented trend.

You use "most likely" to indicate that something is true or happens to a greater degree or extent than anything else.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/most-likely

 

[Mottie]

"most likely" is also a way of expressing the documented trend.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/most-likely

And what was the documented trend predicted for the 2019 GE. I don’t remember seeing any landslide victories for the Conservatives. Did you?

 

[Pat ex]

And what was the documented trend predicted for the 2019 GE. I don’t remember seeing any landslide victories for the Conservatives. Did you?

You are comparing apples with potatoes. The analyses of the referendum voting were analyses of a historic event.
You are trying to compare the predictions of a forthcoming election with analyses of the historic event.

Is it a an intelligence deficiency problem, or an intentional attempt to deceive?

 

[Notch7]

MSN

Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak's talks about striking a 'unity' leadership deal have come to an end after more than three hours – as a bombshell Mail on Sunday poll found he would offer the Tories the best chance at a General Election.

The former Prime Minister met his ex-Chancellor at 8pm last night, where he argued that if he re-entered No 10 with Mr Sunak in a senior role it would avoid a divisive battle.

Allies claimed Mr Johnson's hand in the negotiations is strengthened as he would most likely win any ballot of Tory members. In return for giving his former Chancellor a top job, Mr Johnson would expect 'strict loyalty' – and if he couldn't secure that, he would 'leave Rishi to it'.

Another supporter said the former Prime Minister, who flew back to the UK from his Caribbean holiday yesterday, aims to forge 'an alliance in the national interest'.

The crunch summit is believed to have ended shortly before 11.20pm. No details about the talks were immediately forthcoming.


Plans for a face-to-face meeting yesterday afternoon were delayed, with both sides blaming the other for the hold-up.

The two men have been political foes since Mr Sunak's resignation this summer helped to bring down Mr Johnson, and last night allies of the former Chancellor questioned the claim by the Johnson camp that they had secured the backing of the 100 Tory MPs needed to secure a place on the ballot.

They suspect they were being 'bluffed' into 'folding' too soon. By yesterday evening, the number of MPs offering their public backing had reached 127 for Mr Sunak, 53 for Mr Johnson and 23 for Ms Mordaunt.

Meanwhile, a Deltapoll survey for this newspaper found that if a General Election was held today, Labour would have a lead of 25 points – and an astonishing majority of 320.

But if Mr Johnson was Prime Minister, the lead would be cut to ten points, with a Labour majority of just 26. When voters were asked how they would vote if Rishi Sunak was the leader, Labour had a lead of 17 per cent and a projected majority of 124. Commons Leader Penny Mordaunt, who is struggling to get enough MPs to back her leadership bid, would lose to a Labour majority of 216.

Johnson wouldn’t have called a meeting if he had 100, there would be no need….

The false claims made public by the Johnson team were done to falsely give him negotiating leverage



Johnsons betting odds have dropped from 3/1 to 9/2

 

[Mottie]

It would be entertaining to see him try to show that there is a majority of under-60s that are Brexers.

Ah, under 60 niw. You were talking under 64 a while ago. Apart from the fact that there are more people in this country aged between 18 and 60 than there are aged 60+. I’m talking about fit people that were more than able to drag their arses off the sofa to vote in the referendum. Yet the vote was to leave. Why was that if it was only the 65+ age groups that would vote to leave the EU?

 

[Notch7]

"Older people with fewer formal qualifications most likely to have voted Leave". Most likely is just an opinion

It’s not an opinion, the data supports it.

and the uneducated are the ones that can’t accept they were wrong

 

[Pat ex]

Ah, under 60 niw. You were talking under 64 a while ago. Apart from the fact that there are more people in this country aged between 18 and 60 than there are aged 60+. I’m talking about fit people that were more than able to drag their arses off the sofa to vote in the referendum. Yet the vote was to leave. Why was that if it was only the 65+ age groups that would vote to leave the EU?

We are talking about the demographics of voters, and how they were most likely to vote, not specific individual voters.
For instance, it might be fair to say that the younger voter was less likely to vote. I don't know if that was true, but it's about demographics, not how Joe Bloggs next door voted.

 

[Mottie]

It’s not an opinion, the data supports it.

and the uneducated are the ones that can’t accept they were wrong

There is no data. There can't be. Did you give your age when you voted to leave? I didn’t so how do they know. All they can do is guess.

 

[Mottie]

We are talking about the demographics of voters, and how they were most likely to vote, not specific individual voters.

Demographics without data are guesses.

 

[Pat ex]

Demographics without data are guesses.

Demographics is based on analyses of the situation, it's documented on people's responses. They are not "someone's guess".

 

[JohnD]

If only Mottie had a grasp of statistics, he might be able to learn something. But he wouldn't like it, so he won't.

This remains true.

 

[Mottie]

Demographics is based on analyses of the situation, it's documented on people's responses. They are not "someone's guess".

They are someone’s guess based on the answers they are given. The answers given may not be the truth though. That’s how they got the prediction of the result of the 2018 GE. "Everyone was fed up with Tories/Boris". "The students are all going to vote labour". Wrong! Landslide for the Tories!

 

[JohnD]

They are someone’s guess based on the answers they are given. The answers given may not be the truth though. That’s how they got the prediction of the result of the 2018 GE. "Everyone was fed up with Tories/Boris". "The students are all going to vote labour". Wrong! Landslide for the Tories!

Pleaxe show us the Pollsters' predictions from the week before polling day, that you think you remember.