It was going to be the dreaded Chequers until the EU booted it into touch.
Now it will be a straight no-deal suicide mission. Opposition party politics has never been so revved up.
So what a horrible plan
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Now it will be a straight no-deal suicide mission. Opposition party politics has never been so revved up.
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Why not?
Because Theresa said so, that's why not.
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That's great for businesses I'm sure. What makes you think it will be a last moment agreement?
You seem to know what it will be. Prey tell?
Its a negotiation, its the way it works. The EU will hold out until tge last moment to extract a better deal for themselves.
The EU are desperate to get hold of passporting, if they see an advantage to a better deal to get that, they will. Macron is already enticing the super rich to Paris.
There will be many lobbyists putting pressure on the EU for a deal.
Almost certainly a fudge deal, with many details of trade to be negotiated during a transition.
Unlikely to be a change of government before a deal happens -a new prime minister would then be facing all the flack.
What was written on the referendum ballot paper
I have to admit I didn't read the back of it, did it have an explanation on there?
When I went to vote, I already knew which box I was going to tick. I had done my research. I think it was a bit late to make my mind up as I stood with the voting slip in my hand.
But I didn't understand brexit. Nobody had explained it, or ANY benefits of it.
Looking back, I made the right choice. I still don't know what brexit is.
Maybe you can explain it if you read the back of the voting paper.
But that's not what it says. It says open up to competition, not privatisation. That means we plebs get to choose between the NHS and other options too, instead of being stuck with a state monopoly.
About time.
You'd think that would please remainers then, but:
You must live in a totally different reality from the rest of us, to read such a proposal and come to that conclusion. The EU has just banned memes and voted for confidential expenses and yet you cling to it like a comfort blanket. And here is a proposal offering more choice, freer trade, more freedom of movement, less regulation, and yet you see only 'madness'. Weird.
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The disparity is mainly due to the survey being deliberately designed to 'get the right answer', i.e. to make the NHS look good. The NHS comes top because there is zero cost at the point of use, whereas any system where the user has to pay even a small fee was counted as a negative, even countries with much better health services like Switzerland. They also graded the NHS good for efficiency because the equipment was in near constant use. But when you think about it, that is actually a way of saying "they don't have enough beds / machines".
But on actual patient outcome (which you'd think was more important) the NHS comes below average. NHS Wales and Scotland are particularly poor performing health services in global terms.
The OECD is less biased and ranks the UK lower than the average. "Efficiency gains would be large with estimates suggesting that public spending savings could amount to almost 2% of 2017 GDP on average for the OECD area and over 3% for Greece, Ireland and the United Kingdom." Basically, if the most important thing you want from a health service is for it to be cheap at the point of use, the NHS is hands down the best. But if you want it to save your life or spend your taxes wisely, go elsewhere.
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But France and Germany already are our masters; they are the de facto owners and operators of the EU.
If you can't see what we have in common with Americans, Canadians and Australians, more than with the French, there is no hope for you.
With this new proposal -freedom of movement- that indeed becomes a viable option.
In Canada it is job loss, same as here. Remember, there is more to the world than the USA.
see post 71
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