Someone is trying to start a war in the Ukraine, It's NOT Russia (edit: yes it is)

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Human might find this interesting about oligarch wealth. I chose the richest of the lot but the wealth is as it usually is for all of them where ever they live.
https://en.as.com/en/2021/11/17/latest_news/1637105430_704721.html

It's the value of what they own not how much money they have. Be interesting to know how much they pay their workers in some sort of cost of living indexed way. Usually as low as they can get away with where ever they are or can transfer work to.

:eek:His yacht comes out at $200m to $500m according to who you believe. No doubt business expense probably figures.
 
Again NOT From Tass!! Fact!!

See link below for source and full article

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Ukrainian peace negotiator is shot dead ahead of latest round of talks to end war - amid claims he was a Russian spy
  • Ukraine's Defence Ministry said Denis Kireev, 45, killed during defence operation
  • The government called him a hero but MPs claim he was suspected of 'treason'
  • They said he was shot and killed by Ukraine security service as he resisted arrest
  • Mr Kireev was pictured on Ukraine side during negotiations with the Russians
  • He was not on the official list for the February 28 summit and his role is unclear

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tiator-shot-dead-amid-claims-Russian-spy.html


As I've said to the trolls a million times in times of war/conflict and before and after that, waters get very muddy and ALL sides tell lies/misinformation along with genuine misunderstandings


The Mirros and others carrying this story I wonder what Ukraines leader has to say, we shall see.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/hero-ukraine-peace-negotiator-shot-26398152

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/hero-ukraine-peace-negotiator-shot-26398152
 
Again NOT From Tass!! Fact!!

See link below for source and full article

Quote==========
Ukrainian peace negotiator is shot dead ahead of latest round of talks to end war - amid claims he was a Russian spy
  • Ukraine's Defence Ministry said Denis Kireev, 45, killed during defence operation
  • The government called him a hero but MPs claim he was suspected of 'treason'
  • They said he was shot and killed by Ukraine security service as he resisted arrest
  • Mr Kireev was pictured on Ukraine side during negotiations with the Russians
  • He was not on the official list for the February 28 summit and his role is unclear

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tiator-shot-dead-amid-claims-Russian-spy.html


As I've said to the trolls a million times in times of war/conflict and before and after that, waters get very muddy and ALL sides tell lies/misinformation along with genuine misunderstandings

https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/...e-its-not-russia.586127/page-83#ixzz7MlfhZcHk


3 top ranking Russian generals have been killed.

the poor old Ruskies are getting more desperate by the day….no wonder poor old Hummie is posting every minute :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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It is worth remembering that one of the known techniques used by Putin's Empire to stifle criticism and opposition, is to fill SM and mass media with contradictory and made up stories, in the interests of sowing confusion.

The intention is that some people will say "well, the russkies aren't the only villains in the world" or "maybe what people say about them isn't true" or "you can't blame them really" and others will find the whole issue too confusing and give up.

You will notice these effects coming out on here.

A barrage of unsubstantiated waffle by people who like to think they have their finger on the pulse also clouds the issue.
Look out for anyone guilty of that.

The simple fact is that Putin's army has committed a violent war and invasion against a weaker neighbour, and seeks to crush it and destroy its government and independence.

just like when Stalin's army invaded Poland in 1939, with his buddy and ally.

it's not complex and it's not confusing and it's not excusable.
 
Same could be easily said re west.

The real victims are the Ukrainians used as pawns by Putin, uk/west and usa. All politicians are power-hungry and if you fools can't see that
then please have that brain cell of yours checked out.

As I've said several times over the last few days inc today - keep on trusting the Truss, Boris, the idiot in the usa as when the time comes
99.99% of the people in the uk won't have nuclear bunkers lined to the teeth with food/meds etc unlike the top of the food chain politicians.

The behaviour of the easily led here and that of Putin and the west is inexcusable.

Vote for peace, demand they come to some form of ceasefire right now then work on it where people in Ukraine that speak various languages, hold different passports can live together and in turn ignore the ****-stirring from both sides.
 
Just got news that Putin is selling gas at half the price from about two weeks ago and he is almost giving the county's oil away in order to get access to forgien currency, desperate to stay in power or what. Sadly if that does not work he will get even more desperate lets hope someone takes him out but is then replaced with some that is strong but fair unlike any leader I am aware of atm other than the New Zealand lady.
 
Blimey some Russian exile bloke has been on the telly giving interview s

he upset Putin a while back

we work for the bloke ( or did do)

:eek:

morozoz
 
there is no sh1tstirring from both sides, this war is 100% the fault of Russia

stop being a Putin apologist

More nonsense.

What happened in the elections in 2008 - look it up.
Are you really that deluded that the Russians and the west were not trying to encourage Ukraine to favour them if so,
you know zero about politics?


Google it mate.
 
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