Someone is trying to start a war in the Ukraine, It's NOT Russia (edit: yes it is)

No mastercard or visa in Russia.TBH given the other sanctions I can't see how they can have worked unless restricted to internal Russian banks and how would they collect any fees etc.
 
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Again NOT From Tass!! Fact!!

See link below for source and full article

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Ukrainian peace negotiator is shot dead ahead of latest round of talks to end war - amid claims he was a Russian spy
  • Ukraine's Defence Ministry said Denis Kireev, 45, killed during defence operation
  • The government called him a hero but MPs claim he was suspected of 'treason'
  • They said he was shot and killed by Ukraine security service as he resisted arrest
  • Mr Kireev was pictured on Ukraine side during negotiations with the Russians
  • He was not on the official list for the February 28 summit and his role is unclear

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tiator-shot-dead-amid-claims-Russian-spy.html


As I've said to the trolls a million times in times of war/conflict and before and after that, waters get very muddy and ALL sides tell lies/misinformation along with genuine misunderstandings
 
Again NOT From Tass!! Fact!!

See link below for source and full article

Quote==========
Ukrainian peace negotiator is shot dead ahead of latest round of talks to end war - amid claims he was a Russian spy
  • Ukraine's Defence Ministry said Denis Kireev, 45, killed during defence operation
  • The government called him a hero but MPs claim he was suspected of 'treason'
  • They said he was shot and killed by Ukraine security service as he resisted arrest
  • Mr Kireev was pictured on Ukraine side during negotiations with the Russians
  • He was not on the official list for the February 28 summit and his role is unclear

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tiator-shot-dead-amid-claims-Russian-spy.html


As I've said to the trolls a million times in times of war/conflict and before and after that, waters get very muddy and ALL sides tell lies/misinformation along with genuine misunderstandings

https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/...e-its-not-russia.586127/page-83#ixzz7MlfhZcHk
 
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The Humanitarian said:
Again NOT From Tass!! Fact!!

See link below for source and full article

Quote==========
Ukrainian peace negotiator is shot dead ahead of latest round of talks to end war - amid claims he was a Russian spy
  • Ukraine's Defence Ministry said Denis Kireev, 45, killed during defence operation
  • The government called him a hero but MPs claim he was suspected of 'treason'
  • They said he was shot and killed by Ukraine security service as he resisted arrest
  • Mr Kireev was pictured on Ukraine side during negotiations with the Russians
  • He was not on the official list for the February 28 summit and his role is unclear

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tiator-shot-dead-amid-claims-Russian-spy.html


As I've said to the trolls a million times in times of war/conflict and before and after that, waters get very muddy and ALL sides tell lies/misinformation along with genuine misunderstandings
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**beware Russian Troll**
 
The humanitarian path failed again. Red Cross put it down to lack of detail. What time for pick up and etc AlJ have seen private cars using it and mention a mix of troops in the area and bangs well off the route. They also talked to one of this lot who fight on the presidents side and are operating in the general area.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment

The oligarch mentioned when I looked around bought up 2 others. All bent.

Russian troops it seems have just walked into smaller places. Shown feeding people.

whoops forgot. Russia has totally taken out one airport. Cruise missiles mentioned.
 
I believe the "Red Cross" and not the Ukrainians, Russians or the UK for that matter.

Misunderstanding happen at the best of times never mind a fully-fledged invasion of your friends homeland
 
Te west especially our country/UK and USA has a lot to answer for including Putin and his cronies
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FYI and this is aimed at the abusers here, Putin is wrong and he is a typical leader that is doing whatever he can get away with to distract from the woes he faces at home and that is a FACT. I have never trusted any politician and fell for the mass hysteria of "WMD" and you know the rest, IE that country and other countries are now cesspits thanks to the west on the whole.
The invasion of Ukraine started well over a week ago and to avoid even more bloodshed, there needs to be peace and that means a ceasefire and honest talks re longer lasting peace for the ordinary people that always suffer the most.
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Quotes from a newspaper below and link near the bottom of the page. (Almost what I've been saying EG the west has been pushing evil putin into this invasion at the cost of the Ukrainian people and the west is guilty of turning Iraq/Libya etc into cesspits. Both sides are wrong and the ordinary public suffers whilst politicians the west/Russia have their bunkers)
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Re Ukraine

In a country crammed with Russians, they were trying to make Russian a second-class language.

Russians who had lived there happily for decades were pressured to take Ukrainian citizenship and adopt Ukrainian versions of their Christian names.

The schools were promoting a national hero, Stepan Bandera, who Russians strongly disliked and regarded as a terrorist.

And they were teaching history which often had an anti-Russian tinge. Quite a few people told me they felt put upon by these policies. Why couldn't they just be left alone?

I tire of being told that Nato is purely defensive alliance when we know it bombed Serbia in 1999, incidentally killing civilians, when Serbia had not attacked a Nato member.

I also don't recall Libya attacking a Nato member before that 'defensive' alliance launched the air war on Tripoli which also killed civilians, children included, and turned that country into a cauldron of chaos, benefiting nobody.

And then there's the other thing that sticks in my gullet. The countries of the West have egged Ukraine on into a confrontation with Russia which has predictably ended in Putin's barbaric invasion.

But while we stand and cheer at a safe distance, the Ukrainians are the ones who get shelled, bombed, besieged and driven from their homes. Is this honourable? Does sentimental praise for their bravery make up for it?
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The Full article is in the link below and its not Tass you clowns

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...oming-Thats-wont-join-carnival-hypocrisy.html


I do not agree with the Hitchins bloke most of the time but this time he has hit the nail on the head. It is as though I'd written the article.

Bottom line: Putin as any world leader puts himself first but is is more evil than most.
Putin needs to go but we need to be careful who replaces him.
NB: Boris and his flyweight side kick Truss need to shut their big gobs and stop the rhetoric
and actually enforce the sanctions rather than bang on about them

Thank you and do report this thread as you do as you can't stand anyone disagreeing with your blinkered views.

https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/...ay-threads-on-one-topic.587985/#ixzz7MmnC1H00
 
:rolleyes:

Jeez us

why do you persist in posting up war and peace long threads

o_Oo_O

hmmmm

speak up
 
BREAKING

Good as confirmed meeting to take place between Russian and Ukrainian diplomats - One of the 4 diplomats from the Ukrainian side has been murdered and cited by the press as a "double agent," - the meetings can be cancelled at the last mo but imo the Russians are in a better position to make greater demands becuse they have gained ground by sheeling towns/villages.


Not sure who is telling the truth at all now and I pray it ends soon
 
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