Someone is trying to start a war in the Ukraine, It's NOT Russia (edit: yes it is)

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If you know where to look there's some groups on Telegram give slightly less censured feeds out fro. Ukraine. Some of it isn't nice. Very sad to see what humans end up doing to eachother because of twisted leaders.

Since when are Europe ever going to wage a war on Russia. The whole thing is beyond fcked up.
 
festive said:
If you know where to look there's some groups on Telegram give slightly less censured feeds out fro. Ukraine. Some of it isn't nice. Very sad to see what humans end up doing to eachother because of twisted leaders.

Since when are Europe ever going to wage a war on Russia. The whole thing is beyond fcked up.
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Thak you. I'm not sure where that is but thanks

Stories a few days ago where black mainly Nigerians and Indian students were claimed to be mistreated and stopped from leaving reported in UK media as well and videos but I think this has been sorted.

The Daily article by Peter Hitchins paits a very true picture of what led up to and blamed all sides ie Putin, West and Ukraine

6 humanitarian corridors opened to safe exit but to Rusisan and Belarus only I guest they want their Russian supporters/civilians to head that way

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...latest-news-war-putin-refugees-nato-invasion/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...latest-news-war-putin-refugees-nato-invasion/


Rest assured, Putin, west leaders and their cronies have excellent access to bunkers the public does not

I posted this morning Russian mothers demanding to know from Russian officials why their sons were sent to be killed in Ukraine.
 
festive said:
Very sad to see what humans end up doing to eachother because of twisted leaders.

Since when are Europe ever going to wage a war on Russia. The whole thing is beyond fcked up.
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These same "leaders" on all sides are as guilty as **** for ****-stirring to this and fooling Ukraine that the west/uk was there to support them and in the process wind up the weak Putin and his cronies

I bet you Putin is having nightmares every night about his fate like Gaddafi
 
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The Humanitarian said:
These same "leaders" on all sides are as guilty as **** for ****-stirring to this and fooling Ukraine that the west/uk was there to support them and in the process wind up the weak Putin and his cronies
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Putin sent his empire's army to invade a weaker neighbour

You are attempting to divert blame.
 
The Humanitarian said:
Why has no one asked Volodmyr Zelenskiy about his negotiator being shot??

Moscow stock market still closed and rumours may open tomorrow or day after - 5th day its closed
and over 5 billion of uk money stuck in that market.

Chian defends friendship with Putin in the FT

https://www.ft.com/content/94b12297-b7c7-4923-9d95-86f196e90503
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Still nothing on why their negotiator was shot dead.

Bottom line and I reiterate, Putin will never give up Donbas and Crimea.
Best way forward is being realistic and accept the above and Russian troops out of other areas and work on it.

Ukraine need to adjust their stance on the people living inside Ukraine

When the Russian troops return home and as it stands a bout a thousand+ never will or seriously injured, they are abl to
tell the truth how they were fooled into this attack.

Even with Putin being ousted by his ex mates, what we get after him may be just as bad or worse. We are hoping
its a blanced and very strong leader as strong leaders do on the whole think about fellow humans and not please their own party or themselves.
 
The Humanitarian said:
Moscow stock market still closed and rumours may open tomorrow or day after - 5th day its closed
and over 5 billion of uk money stuck in that market.
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Considering there's nearly 4 trillion in the UK stock market, 5 billion is just loose change.
 
Putin is in a stronger position than last week. I do not see him quitting Donbas and Crimea as I have said many times
Importantly, I don't see Putin trying to hold even half of Ukraine as they can't. IMO he will hold the above parts and withdraw claiming vicotory.

Below a quote from the live blog at the BBC, see link below quote.

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    Kremlin demands Ukraine recognise Crimea as Russian
    Russia has said that it can stop operations at "any moment" if Ukraine meets Russian conditions.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov says Ukraine must recognise Crimea as Russian, and Donetsk and Luhansk as independent states.

    In addition to this, Peskov says Ukraine must amend its constitution and reject claims to enter any bloc (like Nato, for example).

    He adds that Russia will finish the "demilitarisation" of Ukraine, and if these conditions are met Russian military action will "stop in a moment".

    The Kremlin spokesman insists that Russia is not seeking to make any further territorial claims on Ukraine.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60635927

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60635927
 
Russia publishes a list of "unfriendly countries"!!!
I guess with rantings by the Truss and Boris we are top on his list along with the USA.
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MOSCOW, March 7. /TASS/. The Government of the Russian Federation has approved on Monday a list of foreign states and territories that commit unfriendly actions against Russia, its companies, and citizens.

The list includes the United States and Canada, the EU states, the UK (including Jersey, Anguilla, the British Virgin Islands, Gibraltar), Ukraine, Montenegro, Switzerland, Albania, Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, North Macedonia, and also Japan, South Korea, Australia, Micronesia, New Zealand, Singapore, and Taiwan (considered a territory of China, but ruled by its own administration since 1949).

The countries and territories mentioned in the list imposed or joined the sanctions against Russia after the start of a special military operation of the Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine.

Full report in link below

https://tass.com/politics/1418197

https://tass.com/politics/1418197
 
Mottie said:
5 billion is just loose change.
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There are billions from all over the place in Russia.

The world is in a bizarre place in some ways. MAD, NATO prevent Hitler type conquer all wars for the big boys and mostly the west. There has always been problems going on elsewhere.

MAD is a bit mad so that leaves what could happen. Aircraft need air domination to be really useful and various types of missile are more effective in some ways. They needn't carry nukes. Ukraine is an example. USA could nuke Russia and get nuked back, UK could too, also probably France. It's not on. So they just get help. Say a NATO country gets involved. They could get nuked or receive a number of missiles. So NATO starts shooting missiles too. The MAD groups still can't nuke Russia without being sure of it not getting nuked back. All MAD's go to a lot of trouble to prevent that. Russia defeated - they still can't conquer it so try and sanction it to death instead. The world is a big place and all want natural resources which Russia has plenty of. That and communism is probably why it wasn't well regarded in the first place. The other area like that is N. America.

So NATO is moving stuff into E, Europe. Maybe anti missile stuff figures - other stuff as the USA says. It seems that the head of the CIA has been saying having E Europe countries in NATO is bound to be seen as provocation. A Ukraine style invasion as you may have noticed takes some time to build up.............
 
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