Someone is trying to start a war in the Ukraine, It's NOT Russia (edit: yes it is)

transam said:
putin is attempting to re write history

which as I see it is an attempt to deny or appease what occurred during Stalin’s time
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The Stalin times were over yonks ago now and the following stages. It seems the Lenin times are back in their history so Stalin probably is too. Some one in Talin was telling me how wonderful the Tsars were so they seem to have had a period of that. If you want a potted history of chaos try this.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Russia/The-Gorbachev-era-perestroika-and-glasnost

Putin may have done more to sort it out than anyone else against that backdrop. They appear to want to westernise. ;) Maybe the west is a bit of a problem with that. All major countries get involved in secret wars. Limited numbers of troops /advisors and maybe weapons. Views I suppose depends on whose side you are on.

Sanctions
Today, about two-thirds of all dollars in circulation are outside the United States, with a similar proportion reflected in global trade and investment contracts. Interestingly, oil and mineral markets are almost wholly operated in dollars, which leaves Iran (and many others) particularly vulnerable to dollar weaponisation.None of the other main currencies comes close to the scale and scope of the dollar. The euro, yen, sterling and others collectively account for about 38 percent of global debt and global transactions, with the euro further constrained by the absence of a Europe-wide bond market.

Next below the dollar appears to be the Euro
https://www.lse.ac.uk/ideas/Assets/Documents/updates/LSE-IDEAS-Weaponisation-Dollar.pdf
 
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The Humanitarian said:
so to save face of
Putin, he will be allowed to walk in with Russian backed separatists
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The only alternative may be the odd one I mentioned where the Ukraine president has to agree a compromise and the USA feels he must as well.

Against that is the weaponised dollar. Why I posted a link. It is in some ways and can be used to punish Russia unilaterally one way or another. It's a pretty resource rich country really. That route in my view will cause some countries major problems. Maybe they will pay in other currencies but there is no saying what will happen in the money market but drops in value in some areas will affect trade.
 
ajohn said:
The Stalin times were over yonks ago now and the following stages. It seems the Lenin times are back in their history so Stalin probably is too. Some one in Talin was telling me how wonderful the Tsars were so they seem to have had a period of that. If you want a potted history of chaos try this.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Russia/The-Gorbachev-era-perestroika-and-glasnost

Putin may have done more to sort it out than anyone else against that backdrop. They appear to want to westernise. ;) Maybe the west is a bit of a problem with that. All major countries get involved in secret wars. Limited numbers of troops /advisors and maybe weapons. Views I suppose depends on whose side you are on.

Sanctions
Today, about two-thirds of all dollars in circulation are outside the United States, with a similar proportion reflected in global trade and investment contracts. Interestingly, oil and mineral markets are almost wholly operated in dollars, which leaves Iran (and many others) particularly vulnerable to dollar weaponisation.None of the other main currencies comes close to the scale and scope of the dollar. The euro, yen, sterling and others collectively account for about 38 percent of global debt and global transactions, with the euro further constrained by the absence of a Europe-wide bond market.

Next below the dollar appears to be the Euro
https://www.lse.ac.uk/ideas/Assets/Documents/updates/LSE-IDEAS-Weaponisation-Dollar.pdf
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The weaponisation of the dollar as a tool of coercion rather than trade will result in the eventual demise of the dollar as the worlds number 1 currency.
The pound used to be number1 until 2 world wars bankrupted Britain, the Americans then became number1, however that position is now being challenged by countries like China.
The centre of economic gravity appears to shifting from West to East as these devoloping economies grow rapidly.
 
Vinty said:
The weaponisation of the dollar as a tool of coercion rather than trade will result in the eventual demise of the dollar as the worlds number 1 currency.
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Only if it can be removed from trade. It would seem that IMF and Worldbank loans mean moving to a USA style economy. Free trade is one aspect.Health seems to be another.

Looked at over all some might realise why an EU nato and army makes some sense / menntioned but as an American said to me if it was possible to get that lot working together it really would be something. As it is it''s an irritant with protectionist policies.
 
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As per ttile of my thread - Russia does not want a war

Putin could not give a flying F re sanctions just like Irans leaders as they do not suffer so its a joke and our clown of pm knows that

Our clown and the one in the usa are too fearful to put a block on all of Putin assests and those cronies that support him

With sanctions the ordinary folk suffer not the cowards that make peoples lives miserable.

The total and utter BS thrown about by the USA and UK is borderline criminal - several weeks ago the attack was due any moment when that did not work first the usa and then 2 days after they uk started banging on about taking out non essential staff and this has been built on gradually and its everyone out


Putin as his fellow country men say is a "stain" on Russian - he has made that country look like a laughing stock just like our clown in number ten
 
The Humanitarian said:
As per ttile of my thread - Russia does not want a war
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however Putin does want to continue invading, occupying and annexing other countries, when the price is acceptable.

his neighbours, and the West, are trying to make him think that, for the moment, the price might be a bit high.

Additionally, he wants to keep friendly nearby countries aligned to his style of government, to stifle internal movement for change.

Ukraine has made its choice. Europe and the West. Not Russia and Putin.
 
The Humanitarian said:
With sanctions the ordinary folk suffer not the cowards that make peoples lives miserable.
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That is usually the idea of them pure and simple. It is in Russia's case, Hopefully it makes citizens unhappy with their leaders. It may cause leaders to change direction where they feel they can. All will want to remain in power. Crazy world maybe but that is how it is.
 
JohnD said:
however Putin does want to continue invading, occupying and annexing other countries, when the price is acceptable.
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So he is going to get sanctions. May as well take over the entire country and others as well. Or maybe the Ukrainian sovereign state should exterminate the pro Russian people.Shell hell out of it etc. They have done some of that already.
 
The Humanitarian said:
Does anyone have anyone they know off on a naval vessel etc and if their nuclear readiness has been upgraded???
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He doesn't like to talk about it, but there's this bloke down t'pub who swears blind that he carries "The Briefcase" whenever Boris ventures outside No' 10.

Just between you & me, on the understanding that this goes no further, he's recently been told that he should place himself no more than 6ft away from Boris at ALL times !

Make of this what you will, but when the regulars in't pub ask him what the combination is to the lock on't said briefcase, his standard response is "I could tell you, but then I have to kill you".
 
From 2019 NationalGeographic
At LIDER, a summer camp for children age 6 to 17 in the outskirts of the Ukrainian capital of Kiev, youngsters wake up and listen to the national anthem during a flag raising ceremony, before taking part in various military training exercises. They learn how to crawl through trenches, how to put on gas masks, how to assemble and disassemble assault rifles, how to shoot, and more. The whole time, Ibarra Sánchez says, they are listening to anti-Russia and survivalist rhetoric. (Learn how boys from Ukraine and around the world become men.)
 
Dork Lard Pure Blood said:
He doesn't like to talk about it, but there's this bloke down t'pub who swears blind that he carries "The Briefcase" whenever Boris ventures outside No' 10.

Just between you & me, on the understanding that this goes no further, he's recently been told that he should place himself no more than 6ft away from Boris at ALL times !

Make of this what you will, but when the regulars in't pub ask him what the combination is to the lock on't said briefcase, his standard response is "I could tell you, but then I have to kill you".
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Thanks,
 
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