Someone is trying to start a war in the Ukraine, It's NOT Russia (edit: yes it is)

The Humanitarian said:
Skim through the rubbish we've been fed and then the last two short paragraphs - thanks to the Guardian for posting the true facts.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/03/ukraine-russia-fake-attack-video-us-claims

See below the three short paragraphs I am referring to, just what I have been thinking for a while.

On Thursday, Maliar told the Guardian she had checked that claim with Ukrainian intelligence agencies, which had their own sources.

“It simply wasn’t true. We found no information to back this up, we did not see any blood supplies moved to the front or even in the civilian hospitals around the front,” she said, in an interview at a military airfield at Boryspil, outside Kyiv.

“It’s really important to look at the sources. These sources were anonymous, and I don’t think it’s right to use anonymous sources that cannot be checked,” she said.


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There you have it - for weeks the west/usa chatting about false flag attacks are "imminent" and went as far as removing some people from the USA ad uk embassies

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Fruit cake :rolleyes:
 
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@ KnoedAJob

Have the guts to quote my post in full buddy and then ask your questions in a polite way. You are the 4th username that has tried this how desperate are you.

Next!!!
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The Humanitarian said:
This morning the USA press were quoting the donkeys at the Whitehouse "invasion likely in a few days or weeks" - a big change from the statements they made a few weeks ago about it being "imminent."

More dirty news - "dirty bomb."

As they said, the first casualty of war is the facts.
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:rolleyes:

Fruit cake:ROFLMAO:
 
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The Humanitarian said:
Post the full post dear and what you posted and I may respond. I', a pretty decent person giving
the likes of you another chance, dear.
:) :)
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Strawman argument.

I posted the salient bit, it wasn’t out of context…..you just don’t have any counter argument.
 
festive said:
Visually confirmed Russian Army equipment losses suffered in Ukraine now exceed 500

In seven days the Russian Army has already lost more equipment than the Azerbaijani Army did after 44 days of conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh in 2020.

Full list: https://t.co/QR37xcY8mq https://t.co/WL75ubYTjD
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Its a shame they [UA] are losing their anti tank weapons. Those and the drones have been very effective. There are claims that they have the capability to take out the convoy, but fear Nuclear retaliation.
 
some myths being spread on social media (before Humanitarian tries to push any of them):

NewsGuard’s top 10 Russia-Ukraine “war myths” – followed by NewsGuard’s refutation:

  1. “Russian-speaking residents in the Donbas region of Ukraine have been subjected to genocide.” The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe has found no evidence of this.

  2. “Polish-speaking saboteurs attempted to bomb a chlorine plant in Donbas.” The video of the “attack”, for which there is no evidence, was recorded days before it is alleged to have taken place.

  3. “Ukrainian forces bombed a kindergarten in Luhansk, eastern Ukraine, on 17 February 2022.” The shelling came from Russian-separatist frontlines.

  4. “Russia did not target civilian infrastructure in Ukraine at the start of invasion.” One day after the invasion, Amnesty International documented at least three Russian military attacks on civilian areas in Ukraine.

  5. “Nazism is rampant in Ukrainian politics and society, supported by authorities in Kyiv.” The candidate for the far-right nationalist party, Svoboda, won 1.6% of the vote in the 2019 presidential election.

  6. “The west staged a coup to overthrow the pro-Russia Ukrainian government in 2014.” There is no evidence supporting the theory that the 2014 Maidan revolution in Ukraine was a coup orchestrated by western countries.

  7. “The US has a network of bioweapons labs in eastern Europe.” The claims are based on a misrepresentation of the US Department of Defense’s Biological Threat Reduction Program.

  8. “Nato has a military base in Odesa, southern Ukraine.” Foreign military bases are not permitted in Ukraine.

  9. “Crimea joined Russia legally.” The UN Assembly declared a 2014 referendum that backed Crimea joining Russia was illegitimate.

  10. “Modern Ukraine was entirely created by communist Russia.” Russia and Ukraine’s shared heritage dates back more than 1,000 years.
 
motorbiking said:
Its a shame they [UA] are losing their anti tank weapons. Those and the drones have been very effective. There are claims that they have the capability to take out the convoy, but fear Nuclear retaliation.
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I read they have many Javelins donated along with Stingers for Air assault, not sure how much of that has made it in the supply convoys from the West. Im sure Putin is keen to stop these supplies.
Still seems to be a lack of Air power either due to fear of Stingers or lack of precision weapons.
 
The Humanitarian said:
Colonel Hindsight, I get my "information" from my sources in Ukraine, UK, EU, USA, Israel and a few other places then often what I have posted or posted about is in the BBC, Sky, Guardian, FT etc. Thankfully I'm not blinkered and read and listen to RT, TASS, Twitter, CNN, FOX etc etc to see what others are saying, fact

You get your news from the Beano???
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The Humanitarian says: "Colonel Hindsight, I get my "information" from my sources in Ukraine, UK, EU, USA, Israel and a few other places then often what I have posted or posted about is in the BBC, Sky, Guardian, FT etc. Thankfully I'm not blinkered and read and listen to RT, TASS, Twitter, CNN, FOX etc etc to see what others are saying, fact"


the part which I commented about is this: "Thankfully I'm not blinkered and read and listen to RT, TASS, Twitter, CNN, FOX etc etc to see what others are saying, fact"


if you arent blinkered why havent you point it out that RT and Tass are Russian propaganda media outlets and cant be trusted
 
Lovrak was on Sky and other channels, BBC I think

He said the peace meeting is going to take place today

Russia is prepared to listen to all.

He cited "collateral damaged" is inventible and "every life is precious"

He was asked many questions - it was hard to follow as translations not clear to me - one reporter was from C4 and other from France and one from China I think and a few others

The positives "I have not doubt a peaceful solution will be found"

He told reporters to go to the Donbas region

He said when russia met leaders of the west individually they were very receptive but when he met them as a group the wests tone was very different.

He kept on blaming the USA more than the west.

Bottom line and the trolls can continue to twist and post edited versions of my post.

Both sides need to meet, A-Sap
Both sides need to make concessions.
IMO, Russian forces need to leave Ukraine
but will keep Donbas region and certainly Crimea (NOT RIGHT BUT WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE??)
UN forces from possibly India/Pakistan need to come in around Donbas and crimea
Once we manage to stop the killing and even russian soldiers lives are important
as many have no choice but to go into the Ukraine - the killings of men, women and children,
people losingtheir lives, being injured, dible for life, losing their home, job, hospitals
etc needs to stop

MOST IMPORTANTLY - THERE IS A RISK OF A WW3 A NUCLEAR WAR THE LONGER THIS GOES ON PRIDES
NEED TO BE SWALLOWED, FIGHTING STOPS - then a longer-term soloution for all

NO ONE EVER HAS EVER MANGED TO PLEASE EVERYONE = THEREFORE WE NEED PEACE, THE CURRENT LEADER OF UKRAINE STAYS IN POWER AND ONCE WE HAVE PEACE ALL HAVE TO REVISIT THEIR ENTRHECHED VIEWS.


Never forget, the leaders and those in their circles have bunkers, food for years, medicines, firepwoer etc etc - it is us the ordinary people that will lose everyhting if nato has to go to war with Russia

STOP THIS BEFORE IT REALLY GETS OUT OF HAND

Edited to add: Possibly offer Russia some of the sanctions removed if they move out within 24 hours and then back to their bases within 48 hours or we increase sanctions = carrot and stick method

 
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Notch7 said:
see above
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As expected you did hat a troll does. Last night you made baseless comments against me re one of my posts. You posted an edited version of my post. I asked you to post in full my post, make the comments you made last night and I would respond. I have asked you 3 times and you failed all three times but move on to something else

Last chance - post what you posted last night with my post in full As you have still not done that
 
The Humanitarian said:
Post the full post dear and what you posted and I may respond. I', a pretty decent person giving
the likes of you another chance, dear.
:) :)
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here you go:

1) your original quote:

The Humanitarian said:
Colonel Hindsight, I get my "information" from my sources in Ukraine, UK, EU, USA, Israel and a few other places then often what I have posted or posted about is in the BBC, Sky, Guardian, FT etc. Thankfully I'm not blinkered and read and listen to RT, TASS, Twitter, CNN, FOX etc etc to see what others are saying, fact

You get your news from the Beano???
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2) my post:

The Humanitarian said:
Thankfully I'm not blinkered and read and listen to RT, TASS,
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both of those are Putin propaganda news outlets, how would you get anything truthful from them?

Read more: https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/...e-its-not-russia.586127/page-82#ixzz7MT0zTJrl
 
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