Speed

[noseall]

Speed control in urban built up areas is about saving the lives of those hit by vehicles. There is no disputing the fact that a pedestrian struck at 20mph is far more likely to survive the impact than one that is struck at double the speed.

Speed kills.

 

[securespark]

Ask any snail.

 

[Nozzle]

A point to think on:
The proposed gadget will 'look' at surrounding road signs and use GPS data to determine the legal speed limit of the road the car is on.

In Germany, many of the roads are limitless.

A German driver, on a top quality German Autobahn can drive just as he or she did before.

Any other state that has a "national speed limit" sign, then a limit shall apply

Net effect, in order to keep up with (quite literally) the Germans - "National Speed Limit" is abolished (on likely poorer quality roads) and accident rates may increase.

Nice one.

Nozzle

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Not only do you not do logic or reason, I don't think you even know what the words mean.

 

[SammyInnit]

A point to think on:
The proposed gadget will 'look' at surrounding road signs and use GPS data to determine the legal speed limit of the road the car is on.

In Germany, many of the roads are limitless.

A German driver, on a top quality German Autobahn can drive just as he or she did before.

Any other state that has a "national speed limit" sign, then a limit shall apply

Net effect, in order to keep up with (quite literally) the Germans - "National Speed Limit" is abolished (on likely poorer quality roads) and accident rates may increase.

Nice one.

Nozzle

Many people I've seen on other forums have made similar suggestions. It is a wonder how the 'unlimited' roads in Germany will be addressed.

Will there now be an enforceable limit, will the system recognise the suggested limit (85mph I believe) or will it as you say just be completely disengaged.

 

[EFLImpudence]

What is the problem?

If the "proposed gadget will 'look' at surrounding road signs and use GPS data to determine the legal speed limit of the road the car is on" and finds none, presumably it will do nothing.

 

[SammyInnit]

I don’t believe vehicle tax is truly based on emissions. If I have a gas guzzling 4x4 I pay more ‘vehicle tax’ than my neighbour in his BMW 320D. He does 45,000 miles per year and I do 1,500. Who produces more emissions?

I agree. I pay less VED on the cars I do the most miles in and they absolutely cause more emissions over all than my larger motors do given the amount I drive them.

I think last year my van was £250 for the year or there about but it only covered 2000 miles (225g/km)

My smaller car is £70 cheaper and covered 15k miles in the same period. It's an unfair system if nothing else. (165g/km).

3983kg cost less (in VED) than 724kg

 

[SammyInnit]

What is the problem?

If the "proposed gadget will 'look' at surrounding road signs and use GPS data to determine the legal speed limit of the road the car is on" and finds none, presumably it will do nothing.

Why introduce it at all if there are sections of road with no enforced speed limit?

If the argument that speed kills is the reasoning for the change then surely an enforceable limit will have to be put into place. That said there's been no mention of that happening yet.

 

[motorbiking]

Speed control in urban built up areas is about saving the lives of those hit by vehicles. There is no disputing the fact that a pedestrian struck at 20mph is far more likely to survive the impact than one that is struck at double the speed.

Speed kills.

Kill rate : 20% @20mph, 80% at 40mph, but that has nothing to do with free travelling speed. Impact speed kills.

Plenty of times of the day when 20mph would be too fast and 40mph not an issue. 5AM on either of these at 60mph the dumb limiter will not apply an appropriate safe speed.

 

[durhamplumber]

Just curious, out of the 25k RTA deaths, how many are attributed to speeding. I know Drink driving, quite rightly vilified is responsible for about 5% in the UK, but IIRC the majority of accidents are just caused by "Driver error"

Speeding is a driver error.

 

[SammyInnit]

Speeding is a driver error.

That's not how the data works. By conflating it you could argue 100% of cases were due to speeding which simply isn't true.

 

[noseall]

Speeding (at present) is optional. I'm not sure what life would be like if vehicles spontaneously slowed to 20 MPH in vulnerable zones but I bet there would be less pedestrian deaths. Less deaths all round. It is not often you read that a pedestrian has died and the vehicle involved was going slowly.

 

[EddieM]

The majority of road deaths occur on rural roads.

 

[SammyInnit]

All considered as a road user you're less likely to be a casualty where speeds are greatest.

Motorway casualties totalled 7759 compared to 107343 on urban roads and 55876 on rural roads.

Rospa say this about types of drivers and speeding:

Who Speeds? 5

On 20mph roads, 81% of car drivers exceed the speed limit and 44% exceed 25mph.
On 30mph roads in built-up areas, 53% of car drivers exceed 30 mph and 19% exceed 35 mph.
On single carriageway 60 mph roads in non-built-up areas, 8% of drivers speed but only 3% go over 70 mph.
On motorways in non-built-up areas with 70 mph limits, almost half (46%) of car drivers exceed the speed limit, with 11% going faster than 80 mph. Research6suggeststhere are three types of drivers:

Compliant drivers who usually observe speed limits (52% of drivers)

Moderate speeders who occasionally exceedspeed limits (33% of drivers)

Excessive speeders who routinely exceed speed limits (14% of drivers) However, even the moderate speeders exceed 30 mph limits regularly. Excessive speeders normally ignore the 30 mph limit, and often by a wide margin

 

[Brigade77]

I used to race motorcycles & sometimes we went very, very fast. I remember having motorcycles inches in front of me, behind me & each side of me, all travelling very, very fast. Yet I have never felt so safe.