Strikes

[diy_fun_uk]

'But we need to pay what the market demands or we won't attract the required talent ...'

Blah blah blah. Reason number 1032 from the book of 'what we need to say to excuse the injustices around pay and conditions' handbook

 

[JohnD]

'But we need to pay what the market demands or we won't attract the required talent ...'

That excuse is only used to justify the increases bosses give to themselves.

 

[fillyboy]

interesting that the nurses are responsible for inflation, rather than just trying to keep up with it.
There is an argument where high pay rises continue the circle of inflation, but it is totally wrong to say that they cause it. A typical right wing response.
if pay in real terms for most workers had not been abused over the last few years there wouldn't be the problems there are with the cost of living.
but let's blame those that want to keep up with inflation.

Cool, another winter of discontent then, maybe a General Strike. That didn't end well for the Unions last time, I doubt it will this time.

 

[JohnD]

50p says the nurses will still be here after Sunak has gone.

And far more valued.

 

[Justin Passing]

did you see the next story in that link:

“France: Hospital evacuated as pensioner has bomb up his bum”

They must have been sh1t scared at the size of the bloke:

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Cool, another winter of discontent then, maybe a General Strike. That didn't end well for the Unions last time, I doubt it will this time.

Whether it ends well for the unions or not, doesn't change the feelings and the positions of people. That hasn't just happened, its been coming for a while

But keep blaming the workers wanting payrises, for the inflation problem

 

[ajohn]

35K average salary

What relevance does an average salary have??? Best answer maybe pay all 35k as it wouldn't cost any more but the few on 100k wouldn't be happy.

 

[ajohn]

So WTF are they demanding a 20% rise?

You don't think unions ask for more than they expect to get? They do some sums and work out what the shortage is and request that and more.The key word is negotiation and always has been in respect to unions and actually employers.

The basic problem is set pay increases for a while and then a so called independent review that works out a number and if gov can afford it The . Straight out of Sunak's mouth when he was asked. However the increase was based on the OBR's forecast inflation for this year which is way out. It's done this way so they can budget. Hence them muttering about throwing in next year as well - again based on the OBR forecast. 5%. That is a laugh as inflation generally falls but prices generally do not. On UK produced food that may be way out next year as well. Low cost end of food has seen figures this year well over headline inflation. The average has been about 16%.

It seems while this lot has been in power bed counts have fallen by 72,000. Average increase in NHS spend 1.6% way short of what it usually is. Front line staff attitude is well just let them cope.

Fact is the UK needs a grand reset in a number of areas. Problem - it will never happen.

 

[JohnD]

Government vs. Nurses.

Who does the country prefer?

There must be an election coming up.


"Jeremy Hunt, UK chancellor, is to pump more money into the NHS to fund a new pay deal for health workers, in a surprise move that comes despite the Treasury’s previous focus on efficiency savings to fund the offer.

Steve Barclay, health secretary, said on Tuesday that the pay deal would be fully funded. “I want to be clear — there will be no impact to frontline services or quality of care as a result of this offer,” he said."

FT.com

 

[Diver Fred]

Actually I suspect all unions would accept a tapered increase favouring the lower paid.

Needs to done with care - especially when company staff belong to different unions.
can end up with managers earning less than the people they manage.

 

[Mottie]

Needs to done with care - especially when company staff belong to different unions.
can end up with managers earning less than the people they manage.

Like football managers?

 

[transam]

Germans are or went on strike ?

Closed the transport system down ?

French are on strike or planning further strikes which basically means a riot

 

[JohnD]

can end up with managers earning less than the people they manage.

A rare and improbable result.

Can you give any examples of that happening in the public sector?

 

[fillyboy]

Needs to done with care - especially when company staff belong to different unions.
can end up with managers earning less than the people they manage.

A rare and improbable result.

Can you give any examples of that happening in the public sector?

I've not worked as an employee for over 30 years, but certainly when I did in the private sector it was common for supervisors and lower to middle management to earn less than the general workers because of overtime payments, even though it was expected of you to put in extra hours to fulfil your role.

You're right John, it's far less common, or even non existent in the public sector because taking the NHS as an example, overtime payments are made for grades 1-7, they stop at grades 8-9.

Band 9 starts at around £90k

 

[noseall]

Germans

French

Let it go. You 'won'.