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sodthisforfun said:
Anyone can claim asylum in any country they chose. It's a myth that they have to seek asylum in the first country they land in afaik.
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But why are they risking their lives and paying huge sums to cross the Channel? Surely Europe is safe and if they were really asylum seekers, wouldn't they be grateful just to reach the safety of mainland Europe?
 
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Could someone explain why, if true, these people pay thousands to people traffickers rather than buy a plane or ferry ticket?
 
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ReganAndCarter said:
But why are they risking their lives and paying huge sums to cross the Channel? Surely Europe is safe and if they were really asylum seekers, wouldn't they be grateful just to reach the safety of mainland Europe?
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A lot of them are and they stay in other parts of Europe.
 
ReganAndCarter said:
But why are they risking their lives and paying huge sums to cross the Channel? Surely Europe is safe and if they were really asylum seekers, wouldn't they be grateful just to reach the safety of mainland Europe?
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Did you miss the bit about 13 million displaced, 7 million refugees, and just 10,000 in the UK?

Why? Why not ask them, rather than make assumptions. Some have family legally living here already. Some speak English. Some attended English universities. Some work for British multinational companies. In short, they all have a tie to the UK that makes it more sensible for them than any of the other countries, which is why they are making the effort to get here.

Let's think about our big crisis of the 20th Century - Hitler. If Hitler conquered Europe and you didn't want to become a Nazi, and were worried they would here what you said about them and string you up, you might think about fleeing for your life. You'd probably look to America or Canada, being English speaking countries where many Brits have already gone. But based on your argument, you'd have to go to Morocco, that being the nearest non-European country. Although Germany was also trying to conquer North Africa, so you might need to settle with Chad. Where would you take your family?
 
And, where they are really going. We really are a small, bitter nation these days, turning away desperate people from war torn counties, while the rest of the world gives them help. Let's hope Britain never find itself in a similar situation.

Refugees of the Syrian Civil War

Regions with important populations (over 1,000 refugees)[a]
Country Recent: (2020) Hist: (2015-2018)

  1. Turkey 3,643,700 (registered)[3]
  2. Lebanon (Settled) 910,256 (registered)[4] 2.2 million (estimated arrivals as of December 2015)
  3. Jordan (Settled) 656,213 (registered)[5] 1,265,000 (census results as of November 2015)[10]
  4. Germany 770,000 (Dec 2018)[11]
  5. UAE 100,000 (estimated foreign workers and overstays as of 2015)
  6. Sudan 250,000 (2017)[14]
  7. Iraq (99% in Iraqi Kurdistan) 247,440 (registered)[15]
  8. Egypt 130,074 (registered)[6] 124,534 (UNHCR estimate as of September 2017)[16] 500,000 (Egypt MFA estimate as of September 2016)
  9. Sweden 122,087 (applicants to December 2017)[17]
  10. Yemen 100,000 (2015)[18]
  11. Hungary 72,505 (applicants to December 2015)[19]
  12. Canada 62,000+ (applicants to Feb 2017) 43,000+ (approved as of Feb 2017) 40,081 (resettled as of Feb 2017)[20][21]
  13. Croatia 55,000 (estimated as of September 2015)[22] 386 (applicants to December 2015)[19]
  14. Greece 54,574 (estimated in country May 2016)[23] 5,615 (applicants to December 2015)[19]
  15. Qatar 54,000 (estimated overstays 2017)[24][25] 42 (registered)[24]
  16. Austria 45,827 (applicants to April 2017)[19]
  17. Algeria 43,000 (estimated as of November 2015) 6,468 (registered as of November 2015)[26]
  18. Netherlands 31,963 (applicants to July 2016)[19]
  19. Libya 26,672 (registered as of December 2015)[27]
  20. Armenia 22,000 (estimated as of January 2017)[28]
  21. Denmark 19,433 (applicants to December 2015)[19]
  22. Bulgaria 17,527 (applicants to December 2015)[19]
  23. United States 16,218 (resettled by November 2016)[29]
  24. Belgium 16,986 (applicants to July 2016)[19]
  25. Norway 13,993 (applicants to December 2015)[19]
  26. Singapore 13,856 (applicants to December 2015)[19]
  27. Switzerland 12,931 (applicants to July 2016)[19]
  28. Serbia 11,831 (applicants to February 2016)[19]
  29. France 11,694 (applicants to July 2016)[19]
  30. United Kingdom 10,583 resettled as of August 2018 [30]
  31. Brazil 9,000 (approved)[31] 2,097 (as of November 2015)[32]
  32. Spain 8,365 (applicants to December 2015)[19]
  33. Russia 7,096 (overstays in residence to April 2016)[33]
  34. Finland 6,232 (as of 2017)[19]
  35. Australia 6,000 (resettled to Jan 2017)[34]
  36. Malaysia 5,000 (estimated in August 2015)[citation needed] 1,980 (registered to May 2017)
  37. Tunisia 4,000 (September 2015)[35]
  38. Cyprus 3,527 (applicants to December 2015)[19]
  39. Bahrain 3,500 (estimated June 2015)[24]
  40. Argentina 3,000 (approved)[36]
  41. Montenegro 2,975 (applicants to December 2015)[19]
  42. Italy 2,538 (applicants to December 2015)[19]
  43. Romania 2,525 (applicants to December 2015)[19]
  44. North Macedonia 2,150 (applicants to December 2015)[19]
  45. Malta 1,222 (applicants to December 2015)[19]
  46. Somalia 1,312 (as of January 2016)
 
sodthisforfun said:
Anyone can claim asylum in any country they chose. It's a myth that they have to seek asylum in the first country they land in afaik.
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Are you sure you mean "claim", rather than "seek"? Otherwise, it's a done deal , and the country would have no purpose for borders of it had no choice in the matter.....
 
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