Terrorism condemned

[JohnD]

Top tip. Facebook isn't a good starting point.

Top tip

Zionist propaganda isn't a good starting point.

Palestine did not have, and has never had, an army, a navy or an air force. So when Israel attacked and slaughtered them, they were easily defeated.

Are you pretending you didn't know that?

 

[transam]

Top tip

Zionist propaganda isn't a good starting point.

Palestine did not have, and has never had, an army, a navy or an air force. So when Israel attacked and slaughtered them, they were easily defeated.

Are you pretending you didn't know that?

Should You not be following the party line over this caper ?

Corbyn is no longer party leader or in the party ??

 

[Roy Bloom]

I agree with all of you. It would be mad to say one group has a greater claim than the other or one group was there first, Odds was maybe right that the Canaanites were the earliest settlers, but from them there is a shared ancestry between Jews and Arabs, and let's not forget there are plenty of Arabs who consider themselves Israelis.

There needs to be a negotiated settlement, Hamas won't negotiate. That's the problem.

Hamas could end this war tomorrow but it's not in there interest.

Israel refueses to negotiate with Hamas, but Hamas are the democratically elected government of Gaza.
So Hamas can't negotiate, the can fight or surrender. Then Gazans wouldn't have anyone to do the negotiating for them.
If Hamas surrendered, thye'd be executed in the process. Israel has already demonstrated that it kills surrendering civilians, never mind fighters.

So stop with the stupid arguments.
You claimed that the penalty for an abortion was to be thrown off a building, but you were proved wrong. But it demonstrates how you spout nonsense in your sily arguments.
Bod would be (probablly is) proud of your silly nonsense.

 

[Roy Bloom]

The incentive would surely be the saving of thousands of Palestinian lives, a caretaker government involving Egypt and Qatar and the opportunity to build anew a sovereign nation and to have their own elections.
The removal of Hamas would be the price to pay.
Once this happens, Iran has to be stopped from funding these militias, Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis.

Why would Gazans want Egypt or Qatar to negotiate for them, They elected Hamas, byt Israel claimed thye were terrorists.
It would be the same with any government elected by Palestinians.
Egypt and Qatar have demonstrated that they don't want to be involved in the killing of civilians by Israel.

Israel would do (has done) everything in its power to prevent the Palestinians having their own state, and they've driven Palestinians off their land.

Israel funded Hamas in order to weaken Fatah.
If there was a different government in Gaza, Israel would do the same again, they would fund another group to weaken the new elected government.

 

[Roy Bloom]

They were terrorists and Moyne's assassination helped prompt the British withdrawal and handing the problem over to the UN, who put forward the 2 state solution, which Israel accepted.

It could have all ended there.

Israel appeared to accept it, then took more that the UN resolution afforded them, They drove Palestinians off their land, there was no mandate for that in the UN resolution.
They took over Jerusalem, there was no mandate for that in the UN resolution.
So stop with the "Israel accepted the UN offer". They claim to have accepted it, then exceeded it by a long way.
But Palestine and the collective Arab world, had not agreed to it.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Hamas don't want peace, I think you understand that.

Israel doesn't want peace until it's evicted all Palestinians from the Levant, That's the Zionist anbition, and the Israel government are dominated by zionists.

 

[Roy Bloom]

It cares about it's own civilians which is more than can be said for Hamas.

It doesn't, it's content to sacrifice the Israeli civilians in its ambition to annihilate Palestinians.

 

[Roy Bloom]

The Israeli's aren't happy about it and even less so the victims families, the soldiers responsible will be devastated beyond words, but if it brings a little sunshine into your life John?

But the Israeli zionist government is ploughing on regardless.

 

[Roy Bloom]

You started it.

You did with your lies about the penalty for abortion being thrown off a building.

Desperation resorting to outright lies or what!

 

[Roy Bloom]

They fled in 1948 because their leaders chose to go to war rather that accept having their own state as offered by the UN.

And they still didn't learn from that, they chose to go to war again and again.

How do you negotiate with these people.

They fled because they were chased out by Israeli malitias.
Some of the supposed Palestinian soldiers fleeing Jaffa in 1948

When the UN resolved for a two state solution, it wasn't a green light for Israelis to evict Palestinians from their land. But that's what they did.
The UN resolution was for all people to be equal, irrespective of their etnicity or religion.
That isn't how Israel interpreted it. So stop with the "Israel accepted the UN Resolution". It didn't. It exploited the resolution to start a mass eviction.

 

[ellal]

Israel appeared to accept it, then took more that the UN resolution afforded them, They drove Palestinians off their land, there was no mandate for that in the UN resolution.
They took over Jerusalem, there was no mandate for that in the UN resolution.
So stop with the "Israel accepted the UN offer". They claim to have accepted it, then exceeded it by a long way.
But Palestine and the collective Arab world, had not agreed to it.

What is also often overlooked is that when the Jews paid lip service to the first two state 'solution', it was based on them getting all the fertile and coastal land whilst leaving mainly desert and barren land for the Palestinians...

In addition Israel has diverted a lot of the water from the river Jordan to the detriment of the Palestinians/other Arab nations...

And Israel now bases it's policies on a continued program of land grabs which effectively negates the two state 'solution'...

Because no Israeli government will evict Jews from illegally occupied land...

Especially given that many of the 'settlers' are as fanatical as some of the Palestinians that they clearly hate!

 

[transam]

Afai recall Israel evicted settlers from the Sinai that they had occupied for 15 (?) years ??

 

[fillyboy]

Because no Israeli government will evict Jews from illegally occupied land...

Apart from the 8000 Israelis removed from Gaza in 2005.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Afai recall Israel evicted settlers from the Sinai that they had occupied for 15 (?) years ??

The basic laws and rules that an occupying force (The occupant, i.e Israel) must respect.
You might spot that Israel has broken pretty much all of them.
It was obliged to prevent its Israeli civilians settling in occupied territory, it never has. In fact it usually encourages and assists it.

• Transfers of the civilian population of the occupying power into the occupied territory, regardless whether forcible or voluntary, are prohibited.

The main rules o f the law applicable in case of occupation state that:

• The occupant does not acquire sovereignty over the territory.
• Occupation is only a temporary situation, and the rights of the occupant are limited to the extent of that period.
• The occupying power must respect the laws in force in the occupied territory, unless they constitute a threat to its security or an obstacle to the application of the international law of occupation.
• The occupying power must take measures to restore and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety.
• To the fullest extent of the means available to it, the occupying power must ensure sufficient hygiene and public health standards, as well as the provision of food and medical care to the population under occupation.
• The population in occupied territory cannot be forced to enlist in the occupier's armed forces.
• Collective or individual forcible transfers of population from and within the occupied territory are prohibited.
• Transfers of the civilian population of the occupying power into the occupied territory, regardless whether forcible or voluntary, are prohibited.
• Collective punishment is prohibited.
• The taking of hostages is prohibited.
• Reprisals against protected persons or their property are prohibited.
• The confiscation of private property by the occupant is prohibited.
• The destruction or seizure of enemy property is prohibited, unless absolutely required by military necessity during the conduct of hostilities.
• Cultural property must be respected.
• People accused of criminal offences shall be provided with proceedings respecting internationally recognized judicial guarantees (for example, they must be informed of the reason for their arrest, charg ed with a specific offence and given a fair trial as quickly as possible).
• Personnel of the International Red Cross/Red Crescent Movement must be allowed to carry out their humanitarian activities. The ICRC, in particular, must be given access to all protected persons, wherever they are, whether or not they are deprived of their liberty.

ICRC | International Committee of the Red Cross

www.icrc.org

 

[Roy Bloom]

Apart from the 8000 Israelis removed from Gaza in 2005.

The same applies:

The basic laws and rules that an occupying force (The occupant, i.e Israel) must respect.
You might spot that Israel has broken pretty much all of them.
It was obliged to prevent its Israeli civilians settling in occupied territory, it never has. In fact it usually encourages and assists it.

ICRC | International Committee of the Red Cross

www.icrc.org

• Transfers of the civilian population of the occupying power into the occupied territory, regardless whether forcible or voluntary, are prohibited.

Israel has consistently and persistently flouted international law.