The Atheist Delusion movie

I'm not sure if you are just trolling now or being deliberately obtuse (not likely judging by the rest of your posts) or are just genuinely unable to understand (very likely judging by the rest of your posts).

it does not refute. its no more refuting than all men have hair on there heads, then you post a bald head.
...but if your bible said all men have hair then it would be WRONG, wouldn't it?


fear and terror can go both ways, when it comes to an animal like a bear.
...but you said the bible says ALL animals have fear and terror of humans.
They clearly do not as you have, yourself, shown with the bear example.
There are many more - from whales to mosquitos.
You did not mention humans having fear and terror of animals.

So, as ALL animals do not have fear and terror of humans; your bible is again WRONG, isn't it?
 
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Actually I do feel for BnB as his/her stance is one of attempting to comprehend the actions of 'others' and to realize that there is value in 'other' humans albeit by another's moral compass and not his/hers own definition of a correctly experienced three score years and ten!

Now as I have stated, I do believe in BnB's god....we only differ as to the intentions of this so called god.
The closest 'path defined by another' which would begin to explain my self determined concept of this life, would be Gnosticism.
In this form of predefined adherence to a belief system, you have a small god which knows no better, which did create this world. This small god thinks it is 'all that is and ever was'.......but it never was! lol

An image of the Gnostic consideration of this universe is this:

Pleroma.png


The little circle at the bottom is the universe created by BnB's god, in which we as individuated parts of awareness's are currently held captive!
Yes big statement, I know....lmfao.......take it as you will it.
The big circle is our home! (if we ever get back there? But then we have got eternity!)

The little god was 'chucked out of heaven', even before it knew that there was a Pleroma. So its difficult to blame the little psycho for thinking it IS GOD and then it created this single verse of being in it's image....which is why the place is so very lala land!

Anyway just wanted to help BnB a bit. Hope it helps?

lmfao
 
Actually I do feel for BnB as his/her stance is one of attempting to comprehend the actions of 'others' and to realize that there is value in 'other' humans albeit by another's moral compass

From the evidence in this thread to date, BnB isn't trying to comprehend the actions of others, rather he's trying to tell us that he's found religion, and it's so marvellous, that he want's others to know about it as well. This is the definition of a zealot, and no comprehension of others is evident or wanted; it's more a case of wondering why others can't see what's so evident to him.

I had to read your missive about three time before I started to get the gist of it, and I can see where you're coming from, but you don't mention why the little god was chucked out of heaven, nor who's in charge of it, and who chucked him out.
 
people dont get angry at fairy tails ? are you angry whith dans, believe in noddy:LOL:


genesis 6;8
8 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.
Noaks story is a simplified retelling of a much older civilization [2,500 years older] which is backed up by evidence, a huge flood leaves a huge footprint on the earth, evidence is clear showing where the flood occurred and approx age.
 
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From the evidence in this thread to date, BnB isn't trying to comprehend the actions of others, rather he's trying to tell us that he's found religion, and it's so marvellous, that he want's others to know about it as well. This is the definition of a zealot, and no comprehension of others is evident or wanted; it's more a case of wondering why others can't see what's so evident to him.

I had to read your missive about three time before I started to get the gist of it, and I can see where you're coming from, but you don't mention why the little god was chucked out of heaven, nor who's in charge of it, and who chucked him out.

I 'feel' that BnB is trying to define an answer to a question (which is a good thing, we should all ask more and more questions, especially of our own nature), the question being "Why is this world so very fu*ed up"?
But BnB is using indoctrinations predefined by beings which lacked empathy, compassion, guilt or remorse over 1600 years ago! The council of Nicea.
So I can conceive that BnB is on a 'path of self creation'! Or at least I hope?

As to what is God (with a big g) and why 'one' was chucked out of heaven....it is not my place to infest your thoughts. I have given starting places as links! It's enough.

But I will ask you a question:

Can you prove that I exist and that you are NOT God?

If you do not feel that you are more than the physical body, then you are only electrical impulses, stimuli coming to a brain which decodes them and interprets them into the five senses.
If this is correct, then the only truth which you can have is an internal interpretation of a unprovable, perhaps, external reality.
Therefore, you cannot prove that I exist, nor anyone or anything else.

If I send you a text message (or post here), this will not mean that I exist.
If I talk with you on the phone, this will not mean that I exist.
If we meet in person, this will not mean that I exist, as once we part, I am undone.
It would only be your perception, of maybe the passage of what you believe as time, which would make you feel that something had happened.

Now you must be God in this place as you create all things, good or bad, around you.

How??
Freedom of choice.

Through your own day to day actions or in-actions, your own acceptance or rejection, your own dominance or submission, your own beliefs or dis-beliefs in all of this reality as you perceive it, in your world. You have your own feelings which no one else can have first hand knowledge of, which you alone control or allow to be controlled by, but which you cant prove are real.

In fact most thoughts you have do not happen, you just worry about them.
Why is this?
Because you decided to change the playing field in some way, which then negated any chance that the 'worry' would exist in your world.

You do change the existence, your world, around you, as you believe. For good or bad.
It is and always has been your choice in your world.

So I do not exist and You are God.
And I am only a being in a dream, which needs not time, space or mind.

To reflect....if I am reading your reply does not mean that I exist. It only means that you are creating an interaction.......with your own nature.

How can you....as the god you are within your creation.......be reading some one else's thought....there is only you!

That we are both anothers thought could not be correct as only one exists.......this being is you, defining your life, I have never 'felt' your emotions, known your 'fears', been expanded by your actions....the place you are in.......I am not and I am nor could be .......you.

There is only you.

Within the world that you create by your determination of that which you want, I have NO knowledge of.

That is your world....filled only by that which you create or allow.

Many allow harm and fear within their worlds....many of the fears are thoughts and do not become. This is an individual choice. I cannot make your decisions upon your actions then becoming your illusions!

Only you can allow.
Do you create within my world unless by my thought acceptance?
Can you determine that I have an awareness?
Have I a life?
Do I have emotions the same as you?
If we meet....do I still have a physical structure defined by electromagnetism which is self conscious or do I dissolve until needed as a form again?
Is my material structure the same as yours?
Am I a form of artificial intelligence created by you?

Unless you ARE me.......can you be certain that I am?

lmfao
 
The eternal hypothesis, do I exist within my own reality, or am I just a figment of my own imagination.

You suppose that we are all individuals existing within ourselves, and that every interaction we have with others, is a creation of our own thought processes, but for what purposes. If we all exist only within our own creations, then who is to say, or even to determine, just how many individual existences there are.

Except you know that you exist, and I know that you exist, because I would never write like that.

Oh, and the world isn't Donald ducked up, it's actually perfect the way it is, because you only learn when thing are difficult. You may enjoy sitting on the beach soaking up the sun, but it's no good for your personal development. A friend of mine passed away recently, and he was a very enlightened soul, and he used to remind me, "that it's not good, and it's not bad, it just is". And his other quote was that everything is in divine and perfect order, and we're all were we need to be at this moment in time.
 
But there was no biblical flood, so how do you claim this passage to be relevant?

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But taking your quote at face value, there are many animals that show no signs of fear of man. As has been mentioned, there are many in New Zealand (eg. the Kakapo), and various other animals in various parts of the world.
hello wobs
i don't know enough about kakapos, to comment, but we all know that the in the course of nature, wildlife has a fear of man and a fear of other wildlife like predators.
Further evidence that the bible is not the word of god, but a few blokes in the Middle East who only knew of their part of the world.

Like others have said, nice fairy story, and it might make you feel nice, but that doesn't make it real.
there's many that said the bible was not true, and was determined to prove it wrong and did there research, and could not prove it wrong, and discovered that it was infallible,and believed and got saved.
 
but we all know that the in the course of nature, wildlife has a fear of man and a fear of other wildlife like predators.
Those who by chance fear predators avoid predators, do not get eaten and bring up children who are also fearful of predators, thise who have no fear of predators are likely to get eaten and thus that genetic line dies out. Or they become predators eating the lesser predators which then die out..

wildlife has a fear of man
. tell that to the man who believed grizzly bears were scared of humans, ah you can't tell him, the bear got him.
 
I'm not sure if you are just trolling now or being deliberately obtuse (not likely judging by the rest of your posts) or are just genuinely unable to understand (very likely judging by the rest of your posts).
i am only answering questions, i might have a bit of banter, i am human. but only trying to help answer , maybe not as good as some, i know Christians that could answer better than me.
...but you said the bible says ALL animals have fear and terror of humans.
They clearly do not as you have, yourself, shown with the bear example.
There are many more - from whales to mosquitos.


So, as ALL animals do not have fear and terror of humans; your bible is again WRONG, isn't it?
it does not give a list, but we know that animals have a fear of humans, you only have to go out in the wild to know that. common sense. just because some animals might be trusting, does not take away there instinct of preservation.
You did not mention humans having fear and terror of animals.
that does not prove that the text is not true.
So, as ALL animals do not have fear and terror of humans; your bible is again WRONG, isn't it?

no, you have not proved it wrong.
 
Those who by chance fear predators avoid predators, do not get eaten and bring up children who are also fearful of predators, thise who have no fear of predators are likely to get eaten and thus that genetic line dies out. Or they become predators eating the lesser predators which then die out..
predators are skilled to catch there prey, so it balances it out.
 
the bear attacked him because he was a threat, which is a fear.

A human sees a grizzly bear, the human turns and runs. Does the bear think that human is running away from me, therefore this human is not a threat to ne so I will waste no energy attacking him.

More likely the bear goes after the human to catch a decent meal
 
So, as ALL animals do not have fear and terror of humans; your bible is again WRONG, isn't it?
no, you have not proved it wrong.
Your bible says ALL animals have fear and terror of humans.
This is patently not so.

How is that not WRONG and therefore proved to be wrong?



the bear attacked him because he was a threat, which is a fear.
...therefore cats must have fear and terror of threatening mice.
They have a different reaction to dogs; I suppose they just like racing.



i am only answering questions,
No, you're not. It would be good if you were.

You're just continuing to quote things from the book, which is being disputed, to prove it is fact

Book says god is real - we don't believe it - your proof, it says in the book god is real. That's not proof.
 
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