The death penalty.

[Shytalkz]

Ah...Banal Sheds (sic), as reasonable and accepting of others' points of view, as ever.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Ah...Banal Sheds (sic), as reasonable and accepting of others' points of view, as ever.

Some points of view are beyond what can be accepted.

Wanting to kill is one of them.

 

[sooey]

Some points of view are beyond what can be accepted.

Wanting to kill is one of them.

You think less of the people who "want to kill" as you put it, than you do of the people who are killers. You need to go and have a talk with yourself., see if you can get things a bit less arseways about, you know.

 

[blondini]

To the people who say that the death penalty is no deterrant, you have a point...

Yes, it is difficult to argue with the fact that the only western democracy which practices capital punishment also has the highest murder rate.

... but perhaps that is just an argument to say that it should be carried out in public.

Perhaps not. Have you considered why the US has such a high murder rate? Could it be that the death penalty increases the brutalisation of their society and actually has the opposite effect to that intended? Could it be that making executions a public spectacle would only serve to further increase that brutality and make things even worse?

 

[Norcon]

bas wrote

And I am genuinely disgusted by anyone who does want to kill. None of the things I have said here were said for effect, or to wind people up, or to provoke them - when I tell someone he's a worthless sickening **** I mean it.

Would you go into a Mosque and tell the congregation (many of whom may believe in the death penalty) that they are worthless sickening..........?

What are your veiws on Islamic people's strong belief in capital punishment ?.

 

[megawatt]

Perhaps not. Have you considered why the US has such a high murder rate? Could it be that the death penalty increases the brutalisation of their society and actually has the opposite effect to that intended? Could it be that making executions a public spectacle would only serve to further increase that brutality and make things even worse?

Errrmmmm ... I think the fact that they have the right to bear arms written into their constitution may well have something to do with it

The question posed is "would capital punishment be a deterrent if it were introduced in this country and would incidence of violent crime reduce as a result of its introduction" and I'd lay odds the answer would be a resounding YES.

We have a different culture in this country and I believe that much of the violence we see is due to the laughable punishments imposed when the perps are caught ... Lets be honest about this ... Huge sums of money can be made if people turn to violent crime and without a satisfactory deterrent why not?

Young people see getting stabbed nowadays as routine and getting shot as an ocupational hazard

BTW I don't recall bleating BAS answering my question "How would he deal with these people" ... Apologies if you have, I've probably missed it amongst all the diatribes

MW

 

[joe-90]

Then Mega, why is it that American states that have the death penalty have a RISING and HIGHER murder rate compared to those that don't?

 

[blondini]

I agree that the high murder rate in the US can be partly attributed to their gun laws and differences in culture, but this still does not explain why their murder rate is higher in the states that have capital punishment.
What possible explanation could there be for this anomaly?

I agree with you Mega, that some punishments handed out are laughable. Convicted murderers and paedos should not be released back into society. A life sentence should mean just that.

 

[Shytalkz]

Some points of view are beyond what can be accepted.

Wanting to kill is one of them.

There's a huge difference between wanting to kill personally and wanting the state to permanently get rid of those who commit the most heinous crimes.

 

[joe-90]

So you like the idea of state-sponsored revenge? You just love the killing bit don't you? Weren't in the army were you? That's where all the psychopaths head for. Bees to a honey pot.

 

[Shytalkz]

Ah, the morning bait from the non-smoking, non-drinking, non-speeding, non-anything remotely outlandish, why-would-anyone-need-any-position-other-than-the-missionary-position-and-then-only-to-procreate-if-we-must one.

Yes I do agree with the death penalty. No, I take no perverse pleasure from it and have no particular wish to flick the switch, pull the lever, fire the bullet. I would rather that people behaved in such a way that it wan't required. But they don't, never have, never will.

And what is plain to see is that the current way of dealing with perps does not work.

 

[oompah]

So you like the idea of state-sponsored revenge? You just love the killing bit don't you? Weren't in the army were you? That's where all the psychopaths head for. Bees to a honey pot.

So you don't give thanks to the allied army when they drove the nazi's back to Germany thus allowing you/us to carry on with our free speech which you clearly enjoy by critiscing others who disagree with you on capital punishment.

 

[sooey]

Blondini and Joe 90 wrote

I agree that the high murder rate in the US can be partly attributed to their gun laws and differences in culture, but this still does not explain why their murder rate is higher in the states that have capital punishment.
What possible explanation could there be for this anomaly?


Then Mega, why is it that American states that have the death penalty have a RISING and HIGHER murder rate compared to those that don't?



Well, possibly it's because the death sentence is carried out behind closed doors. If it was done in public it would be a more effective deterrant, and you could always up the anti by doing it in ever more humiliating or excuciating ways. I'm not advocating for this necessarily, but it is a valid counter argument to the ones put forward above, as even zealous banallsheds had to agree.

I agree with you Mega, that some punishments handed out are laughable. Convicted murderers and paedos should not be released back into society. A life sentence should mean just that.

I'd settle for this. Although it would still irk me greatly that I would be forced to pay towards the upkeep of the likes of Brady, Nielson, Huntley etc. etc.

 

[blondini]

If you advocate capital punishment as a deterrent to murder, then you have to question what is happening in the US as it appears that capital punishment there is having the opposite effect.
So why is their murder rate higher in the states that have capital punishment? If the reason for this is the brutalisation of society, then public executions may only make things worse.

As for the likes of Huntley, his kind should be made to labour in captivity to earn their keep. If he wants to commit suicide, let him. It's probably the only liberty he shouldn't be denied.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

BTW I don't recall bleating BAS answering my question "How would he deal with these people" ... Apologies if you have, I've probably missed it amongst all the diatribes

No point answering your questions, as whatever anybody says you'll find ways to disagree which ignore the simple and unarguable position that killing people as a means of punishment and control is wrong.

You don't think it is because you are violent and uncivilised and want to kill people.

As I keep saying, you cannot ever reduce it to a logical argument - some people want to kill, others think that killing is wrong.