The EU Referendum

[david and julie]

Whilst we are talking about the EU what do you people the about the recipients of some of our dosh, do they sound as if they need it?

Who gets what
(Filed: 23/03/2005)

• Farmcare Limited
£2.6 million
Part of the Co-op Group. Manages 16 estates with a turnover of around £21 million. The biggest commercial farmer in Britain, mainly arable, fruit and vegetables.
• Yorkshire Rural Community Council
£1.8 million
An independent voluntary organisation based in Skelton which works to "improve the quality of life for all people living and working in rural Yorkshire".
• Strutt & Parker (Farms)Ltd
£1.64 million
A privately owned company with only historical links to the estate agency business of the same name which belongs to the descendants of the founders, Edward Strutt and Charles Parker. More than 18,200 acres in Essex and Suffolk divided into six farms.
• Thurlow Estate Farms
£906,406
A 17,000-acre estate owned by the family trust of Edmund Vestey whose family fortune was made from the meat trade.
• Elveden Farms Ltd
£743,211
A 22,500-acre estate in Suffolk which has been owned by the Earls of Iveagh since 1894 when it was bought from the estate of a Maharajah.
• Blenheim Farm Partnership
£511,435
Operating from the Blenheim Estate in Woodstock, Oxfordshire, it is owned by the Duke of Marlborough.
• Stowell Park Estate Ltd
£464,720
Another family estate belonging to another branch of the Vestey family. Owned by Lord Vestey, it is a private agricultural and sporting estate set in one of the most beautiful parts of the Cotswold Hills.
• Grosvenor Farms Lt
£448,473
Owned by the Duke of Westminster, who is one of the richest men in Britain.
• Sandringham Estates
£399,440
Low down the list, sandwiched between Paul Rackham Ltd and Thelveton Farms, lies the Queen's Norfolk estate, which includes a 600-acre country park and produces its own apple juice.
• Waddesdon Farms
£364,004
The farms linked to the manor house built by the Rothschild family in the style of a French 16th-century chateau which was bequeathed to the National Trust in 1957.

No wonder the establishment want us in the EU, this CAP money is our taxes.

List is from here.

http://telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh...ap323.xml&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=10883

 

[Richardp]

time for a revolution

 

[Big_Spark]

There is a lot wrong with the manner in which the EU is currently setup and managed, and it needs a total and complete overhaul.

However, the EU is the future, like it or not.

Europe as a combined force trounces over everyone else, but we spend too much time and money on liberal crap, wastage, duplication and argueing like penchent children.

We should combine better, unite and then our economy will be No1 as we will dominate.

The only way to change the EU is from the inside, but successive British Governments have chose to argue from the outside, alienating us from the Europeans and creating a feeling of illwill toward us in EU member Governments. This much change if we are to improve things and make them fair and equal for all members states ands their citizens.

 

[Freddie]

The EU the way forward ?? Well if i was to go into business tomorrow morning with other people, i would want equel assets, equal finances, equal input, equal dividends paid out, and equal say in what goes on.

This is common sense and the usual way to do business.

What we have now is farce written on the back of a fag packet, and while your idea may be sound it can never work the way it has been done as the resentment bubbling below the surface is similar to a country which has been invaded and taken over and look what happens there.

America laughs at the EU and encourages it because basically it spends its time back stabbing each other and moving one step forward and two steps back. It is a second rate banana republic which will be left behind before it falls apart.

 

[david and julie]

However, the EU is the future, like it or not.

Only because they won't give the people a vote on it, the whole set up is based on default.

Europe as a combined force trounces over everyone else, but we spend too much time and money on liberal rubbish, wastage, duplication and argueing like penchent children.

trounce ( P ) Pronunciation Key (trouns)
v. trounced, trounc·ing, trounc·es
v. tr.
To thrash; beat.
To defeat decisively.
v. intr.
To censure something or someone forcefully: “I was out to trounce on every digression and indiscretion conducted (or should I say semiconducted) in this performance” (Robert Maxwell Stern).

So are you suggesting the idea behind this undemocratic outfit is agression?

We should combine better, unite and then our economy will be No1 as we will dominate.

But the economy would need to be No1 because it is so expensive to run. As you said duplicity is part of the problem. We just don't need all these extra rules and regulations they are making us uncompetitive against the cheaper Far Eastern economies.

The only way to change the EU is from the inside, but successive British Governments have chose to argue from the outside, alienating us from the Europeans and creating a feeling of illwill toward us in EU member Governments. This much change if we are to improve things and make them fair and equal for all members states ands their citizens.

Why is this the only way? A good start could be made if we were asked whether we wanted to be in there in the first place. When we voted on this we were told it was a simple trading group, not a socialist superstate with an expansionist agenda. The EU is heading to become the new USSR.
We also keep getting told it will prevent wars which is another load of tosh. Iraq has proven that when the cards are down the member states will go their own way rather than unite.

 

[jasy]

I am afraid 3 billion pounds is small change these days. How much has Iraq cost?
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Well mate. Seeing as you know so much you would obviously realise that, well, it has not cost that much in monetary terms. Firstly most governments have a war chest which is their savings account for things like iraq. Also, income is generated by conflicts. We have companies making our ammunition for example. The higher their revenue the more tax they pay. So Damocles you cannot say that we are going broke over wars, however we do go broke in forking out for people who do not put anything back in

 

[Big_Spark]

The EU the way forward ?? Well if i was to go into business tomorrow morning with other people, i would want equel assets, equal finances, equal input, equal dividends paid out, and equal say in what goes on.

This is common sense and the usual way to do business..

You obviously know very little about how Businesses actually run or you would not make such a nieve comment.

What we have now is farce written on the back of a fag packet, and while your idea may be sound it can never work the way it has been done as the resentment bubbling below the surface is similar to a country which has been invaded and taken over and look what happens there.

That resentment exists, for the most part, in the small minded British and our anal Island mentality. I have travelled extensively in Europe, and most of what many British think their fellow Europeans think could not be farther from the truth. This nation is stuck in the past, it needs to grow up and join the 21st Century.

America laughs at the EU and encourages it because basically it spends its time back stabbing each other and moving one step forward and two steps back. It is a second rate banana republic which will be left behind before it falls apart.

Here you make an observation that is largely correct. The US courts Britain and annoys the French for one simple reason, they do not want a United Europe, whether that Union be closer working ties or as a single nation state. If the Europeans join forces, then the US is not the Big Boy on the block anymore, it cannot simply try to bully others into submission so advancing it's own foriegn policy and agenda. This is the ONLY reason the most US regimes actively let our PM's kiss their stinking arse, whilst going our of their way to annoy other Europeans, normally the French, as they know this causes tensions in the EU and stops a lot of decisions being made as people are daft and fall into the the Them and Us trap!

 

[Big_Spark]

David and Julie..firstly, are you a married couple or a confused transvestite??

Seriously, I think you took my use of the word Trounced far too literally.

The combine GDP of the EU is far and away larger than the US, I know some morons like to quote figures that show this not to be the case, but simple maths proves it is so.

The Miltary of the EU is some 8 times the size of the US, our combined economy 3 times, our rate of unemployment 38% that of the US, BUT our population is three times the US. The average standard of living for EU cistizens is around 12% higher than the same for the US, crime rates are less than a 5th for a similar population sector, violent crime less than a 10th. Infant mortality is barely a 1/4 of the US, illiteracy rates are 1/20th of the US.

Of course it is unfair to either to do straight line comparisons, the US Military has a strategic capability that the EU nations have lacked since 1945, it's horses for course.

However if you look coldly at the BIG picture, then a PROPERLY formulated and regulated EU is the way forward.

 

[jasy]

Yes but. look at the french and german unemployment compared to ours. Spain is just dragging itself out of being a third world country for the majority of it. Europe, wonderful for a holiday, the rest you can stick up Brussels as*!!

 

[david and julie]

David and Julie..firstly, are you a married couple or a confused transvestite??

Seriously, I think you took my use of the word Trounced far too literally.

Firstly..Fkin waffle laden engineer is that what FWL means? I did not offend you and there is no need for you to speak like that to me. You said trounced I looked it up in the dictionary and showed the meaning. I did not take anything too literally at all.

Tell me If you are right and this EU is so good why won't they give us a vote on whether we stay in or come out. What have they to worry about?

Also your reply to me quotes various unsubstantiated statistics about the US V EU even though I never even mentioned the US. Whats all that about then?

 

[Richardp]

FWL_Engineer, that was very well put and i agree 100%................. "Dinosaurs be here"

 

[david and julie]

FWL Engineer, I have just been looking at your stats and the first one that stands out is population. The EU has a population of around 465M.
http://epp.eurostat.cec.eu.int/cache/ITY_PUBLIC/3-31082004-BP/EN/3-31082004-BP-EN.PDF
The US has a population of around 295M
http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html
Now you clearly said the EU population was 3 times that of the US.

The Miltary of the EU is some 8 times the size of the US, our combined economy 3 times, our rate of unemployment 38% that of the US, BUT our population is three times the US.

Therefore one of us is wrong. But you also said this.

The combine GDP of the EU is far and away larger than the US, I know some morons like to quote figures that show this not to be the case, but simple maths proves it is so.

This obviously begs the question which one of us is the moron?

I have no problem having a sensible chat and don't wish us to offend each other but if you are going to quote stats give some terms of reference so we can all see them.

Your GDP figures are also falacious because you are adding the economies of all the EU members together when in fact the EU does not have direct access to these economies. The US on the otherhand does control all its economy so has the bigger GDP, simple maths even for morons I reckon.

I won't bother about you meaningless c**p richard.

 

[Freddie]

 

[Freddie]

Richard a jokes a joke but when you suck up to idiots who cant back up what they say you look stupid mate.

 

[Freddie]

Well the Engineer know it all has blamed the Eu 's woes on us dinasaur British, but i have just been looking at a few things on France and Germany---Both countries are on a knife edge as both countries political parties arent sure that when their population vote on the referendum that they will vote yes, infact it looks like France could vote no and that will kill it. At the very best for the French goverment it will just about scrape through, maybe the same for the Germans.

Unbelievable isnt it when at best half the population of these countries dont agree with the way forward as the Engineer puts it, perhaps half the population of our fellow Europians are thick and stupid unlike our Engineer.

Another thing i have noticed is anybody who is for the EU is so anti American, makes you wonder what their real agenda is.