The Killing of Mark Duggan

[Dork Lard]

I don't think there was a "cover up" (per se). Any cover up would revolve around those 4 seconds to retrieve the gun from the car & thereafter move it to the field. The question of whether there actually was a gun in that car in the first place seems not under discussion.

IMHO I think v53 had a split millisecond to decide, whether that decision was right or wrong after the act is irrelevant.

 

[denso13]

Well bu**** me sideways, I kind of agree with that.

Don't make a habit of it.

 

[blup]

whether that decision was right or wrong after the act is irrelevant.

Operationally yes, strategically that depends on whether the operation was properly planned

Blup

 

[gant]

Irrelevant to fabricate evidence, suppose it's alright till you find yourself on the receiving end of it.

 

[Dork Lard]

Operationally yes, strategically that depends on whether the operation was properly planned

Blup

This makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. Is it possible you could reword it to give us a chance at understanding what point you are trying to make?

 

[Brigadier]

Operationally yes, strategically that depends on whether the operation was properly planned

Blup

A "take down" on a pretty open stretch of road (not common in London), with likely other collateral damage limited to one (the taxi driver), to get a 10 yr stretch for possession of a firearm.

From my sofa, seems a decent strategy.

 

[Dork Lard]

Irrelevant to fabricate evidence, suppose it's alright till you find yourself on the receiving end of it.

If you get shot by either accident, negligence or malicious intent & you end up deaded, then yes it is irrelevant to you, you are dead & therefore cannot no longer care.

If you find yourself in trouble with a capital 'T' tattoed on your forehead, & your first actions are to identify the best route out of that trouble, then that is not irrelevant.

It has been officially noted that the intial investigation after the incident was mostly focused on "did we FUBAR & how can we get out that if we did".

 

[Brigadier]

"did we FUBAR & how can we get out that if we did".

SOP for any organisation.
"Were we at fault? "
"If so, how can we minimise the damage? "


In my job, someone gets a bill they didn't expect.
Just so happens in this case, someone was killed.

Principle is the same, but the scale is far from.

 

[Dork Lard]

Please read up on the immediate aftermath of Mark Duggan's shooting. Please try to comprehend how many people died directly & how many died indirectly. How many lives were destroyed during the rioting & please try to understand that all of this has long term effects that are far more destructive than anything that happened during the immediate aftermath.

Should they have thrown v53 under the bus?

 

[transam]

I have been pulled up
By an armed response team

Well they were with the non armed plod who stopped me he was behind my van they got in front and blocked my escape the guns were not actually pointed at me sort of pointing at the ground

 

[gant]

Should they have thrown v53 under the bus?

Now you are opening up a can of worms given the fractious nature of relations between police and community that had been building and boiled over in the aftermath of the incident.
Taking their time in giving a statement didn't seem to go down well.

 

[blup]

This makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. Is it possible you could reword it to give us a chance at understanding what point you are trying to make?

The inquest report, it identifies missed opportunities to improve intelligence gathering, and how that might have differently informed the approach to the operation.

Blup